Mutant Milk

hey lightwins!

Love the link!! Kind of sad to see that there are not 30 comments here already. We live in a world where so many are committing a slow but sure suicide by their meat and dairy-based diet, not to mention the ethical, moral, philosophical and environmental considerations, and there is little more than dead silence on this pressing issue of sustainable diets. Have you read the RAVE Diet or seen the DVD "Eating" yet? http://www.ravediet.com/ I also began a forum a few weeks ago called "The Unsustainability of a Meat-based Diet". It received some comment. We will have to begin to act on what we already know about all of this or we will definitely face the consequences very soon - many in 3rd world countries are already paying for our meat and dairy addiction. It is so very easy to see that this is so wrong - just hard to give up some things we are used to. Well, at least we have the small comfort of knowing that it always starts with each of us and we are constructively acting on this knowledge by changing our diets. Not such a hard thing to do when and if we really take a sober look at the alternatives we will face very shortly if we don't turn it all around pretty soon and shut down factory farming altogether worldwide!

thank you for your forum!
Chris

I am vegan for ethical reasons. I say, using the old phrase, "I'm not doing this for my health." Of course a vegan diet is the optimal diet for health, but for me that is a byproduct.

Following a vegan diet does not guarantee "optimal" weight. In a culture that gives access to abundant food, it is very easy to eat too much of good things. In the context of cultural mind control it is very hard not to.

I have been aware of the rising girth of the people where I have lived for the past 15 years.. Even the clerks in the health food stores have been growing larger. Like many other things, I believe obesity is not an individual issue. Giving information about food is not the solution. Somehow the "mass mind" has to shift.

Overeating is just one form of overconsumption. Of course we must always start with ourselves, but what is really needed is a cultural shift.

I too do it for ethical reasons. I use the health and unsustainable angle because one is self-serving and the other is mathematically inviolate. I will use any angle to try to get us humans to wake up to our self-inflicted and selfishly inflicting demise.

In Hope, Hope and Hope,

Chris

I work in a health-food store. I'd say at least 50% of the people who work there are overweight, and 75% of our customers. I lost 80 pounds over several years by eating almost nothing but raw veggies. I wasn't doing it to lose weight. I was having to start over in life at age 50 without a dime to my name, and I wanted the most bang for my buck in the grocery store. I figured the easiest way for me to stay healthy was to eat raw veggies. The weight came off and I felt better than I ever had. Now, I weigh what I did in high school, which is still over my "optimal weight" according to the medical charts. Even so, I look and feel better than I ever have.

I agree strongly with your ethical concerns over meat. It isn't that I won't eat it - I consume up to half a pound every month of chicken, fish, and very occasionally a little beef. I make sure it comes from ethical farmers, which is easy considering where I work. I really think that when we eat food that was raised with cruelty and greed, we inherit some of that at the cellular level. Therefore, I boycott conventional meat sources, and I guess you could say I'm (mostly) vegetarian for ethical reasons.

But I like meat, and I'm not ashamed of that. I like it even more now that I eat very little of it. I don't care for it if I eat more than I think I should. I have a little gout, and meat is a dietary trigger, so there's another reason not to eat it. I ate a small steak last month (about 6 ounces, the largest portion of meat I'd eaten in a year, but I enjoyed the heck out of it)...and five weeks later, I'm just working the pain out of my big toe. I have been putting emu oil on it, and that helps a great deal. The antioxidant astaxanthin also seems to help more than other antioxidants.

Speaking of ethical reasons to avoid meat, what about the poor emus who die so that the oil can be pressed out of the fatty hump on their backs? Emu oil is one of the most useful healing oils to have around the house, and I always have some handy. It is good for dry, cracked skin, healing small wounds, burns, and I also put it on the small patch of eczema that's been on my left temple for the last few years. I put it in soap and shampoo. You only use a few drops at a time, so a small bottle goes a long way, except on soapmaking day - then I use about four ounces for each two pounds of soap. Is this unethical? I have never fully resolved that question. Emu farming is not a factory operation. There are many who farm emus and ostriches in California, for meat and other products. I've eaten ostrich once, and it was very good.

I think we are to relate in love to the world around us, including the foods we eat and the materials we use for our daily lives. When I pluck white sage for smudging I thank the plant and seek its blessing. I do the same when I gather wild herbs - plantain, dandelion, stinging nettles, or wild sage and rosemary, for my soaps. My reward has been an actual relationship with the trees by the creek across the street from me. They have sung their tree-songs for me, and when I walk there I can feel their greetings. When I hike in the spot that is an ancient ceremonial ground, the land reveals things to me. They call me Man-Who-Listens-While-Walking. This vibration between me and the natural world has always been there, but it became powerful when I began consciously extending love to the plants, rocks and the ancient paths. This has become one of the greatest blessings of my life. I know that many, maybe most folks would consider me crazy for talking to trees in my mind, and believing they answer me - I don't care. Crazy is as crazy does, so maybe I'm just a harmless of crazy codger. Maybe too, not so harmless. I know that my oneness with my surroundings is deeply subversive in this society.

While it's hard for me to accept that one day no one will eat meat, I do think that someday people will eat very little of it, and will generally recoil from the idea of killing and consuming our animal brothers. As self-indulgent and self-destructive as we Americans are, we are leading the way in the new consciousness. In China, they eat anything that moves, even rats. They put living fish on a grill and slice off fillets while the animal is still writhing in its death agony. I cannot imagine a less human being than one who would do such a thing. And it shows - in their government, in their business dealings, and in their attitudes. The Chinese are the most racist people on earth, and the most dangerous. Yet even they, in time, will awaken.

Sorry for the rambling response...ideas associate and free-flow.

8-D

Great Post me brother. Most of these concerns will be dealt with soon enough the way things are going. You said, "I really think that when we eat food that was raised with cruelty and greed, we inherit some of that at the cellular level". Boy, can I relate to that! That best explains the liberating feeling I got that I couldn't quite put my finger on when I first quit eating meat 20 years ago, and best explains the odd psychologically-spiritually-down feeling I got when I broke my diet a few times at Zips hamburgers a while back. I love meat too - I just don't eat it any more and I'm fine with that. Heroin addicts love heroin - so what! There will come a day when none of us eat meat if there is any truth to that little piece of folklore, "the lion shall lie down with the lamb". In time, all this will not be a struggle - we wrestle now with issues that we will someday not even remember. Food is highly overrated if you are an ascended being of light. We shall soon shed these 3D cocoons that are also made of light (because what isn't?) and all these dietary issues will fade away into nothing.

Concerning your question, "Speaking of ethical reasons to avoid meat, what about the poor emus who die so that the oil can be pressed out of the fatty hump on their backs?" You are asking the wrong person - go ask the Emu. For us to fully understand and fully appreciate the whole equation of big fish eats little fish eats littler fish eats.... we would have to be on the menu of a more dominant species than ourselves and be utterly incapable of doing much about it other than running and hiding. I truly believe that would bring so much clarity to our human perspective. As for talking to the trees my dear brother, it is one of the things I dearly love most about you - if people think you are crazy for talking to the life around you, they're not listening are they?

In love, light and confident hope for the new day,

Chris

Hey, Dave
If grilling fresh fish grosses you out, try this

http://www.bestcyrano.org/THOMASPAINE/?p=566

This one is not quite so gross, but it describes cat meat as "comfort food."
http://www.slashfood.com/2006/06/18/protest-in-china-closes-cat-meat-res...

Hey Dave!

You'll be so proud of me! I had some fish with my mashed potatoes and green beans with yellow gravy at the Old Country Buffet yesterday for lunch, so we can be very sure I assume no religious (no pass the smell test) holier than BLAH BLAH position on this issue of diet. I am so all about the issue of sustainability. I am also posting because I totally forgot to honor the perfect place you have found to live so well within the sustainable equation (as per your post above).
You all mean so damn much to me and I just wanna say it.
Love and Ascension, here we come-are!
Chris