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Hi Jeff,

Good idea for a discussion topic. I think you probably did the right thing. There's no point in not being yourself in order to try and make a good impression. Of course when you meet new people it helps to try and get a handle on where they stand first and try to give them a dose of truth that isn't too big to handle. This is my approach. Sometimes it works, sometimes it backfires.

I had a very odd experience this year. We met with people we had never had t-day before with and didn't know well. At one point the entire table burst out with several people all talking at once spouting different conspiracy theories but there was never any intelligent resolution - it's like everyone just got embarassed all at once and the conversation topic turned to never be broached again. While everyone was talking at once, I turned to my husband, smiled and said "This is like a 9/11 truth meeting." I guess some discussion at all is better than getting the complete brush off. It's interesting when people are at different stages of waking up and no one really knows where the others stand because the subjects are so avoided by the MSM that there's no common cultural reference to work from.

        It hasn't been an easy one for me either. I used to bring up subjects that we talk about here.  Now I only bring them up if someone asks me a question where the only "honest" response would include mentioning the topic. ...For a while, this included health issues. i have offered many people, some friends, some not, simple solutions to serious health issues,,but most would not take me seriously. this is where I learned the lesson about not being able to help someone who isn't ready to be helped. Many people would rather die than change.  That helped me stop throwing these subjects in people's faces...

        On a personal level, I met a woman this summer who swore that she couldn't live without me, and on and on about how we were perfect for each other, etc.. I carefully, and not all at once had revealed to her my experiences, and why I am who i am now. Of course, she said she understood, and went on and on about how she was attempting to change her life. I never tried to push her, only encouraged her when I saw her trying in any way. but , she was still uncomfortable around me, as time went on, as I didn't seem to give her the responses she needed when she was in her "old" mode, and that became grounds for my "dismissal" Ha ! Sooo, i let that bug me for about ......a day. what could I do ? If I tried to push her, I was wrong,,,and when I didn't, I was wrong ! I have become much lighter, you know, not letting things bother me. she was easily stressed, and when I didn't become stressed too, it drove her nuts, even if I offered a non-stressful solution.  Had to let go. my life has become more sage like over the last few years, and people look at that like I am "homeless" or something.. my not being caught up in the system drove that woman nuts. So, I don't offer up much info these days, I am trying the quiter approach. All I think about since watching Thrive is that energy form,,the torus(sorry about the spelling). i am trying to see it in everything I look at,,,that is alive anyways. 

            All in all, I have definitely found it much easier to live what I have learned by talking about it less. I know how eager we all are to spread the word, I get so overloaded with info, I feel like I am gonna pop sometimes. But, my actions seem to accomplish more by keeping it in. I believe now that keeping it in keeps it stronger, and adds to the power of the group consciousness that is surging as we speak. you know, everything is much stronger on an energetic level. Now, if I have a comment to interject that obviously might make a difference, or a random act of kindness , then I will expel that energy to make a difference externally. Otherwise, I feel like I am doing more good by cultivating on the inside right now..hope I didn't wander too much there,,ha !,,,l,,,,,,,T

I can sure relate Jeff, although for the most part these days I am doing exactly what Todd mentioned in his post about keeping it to myself, for the most part anyway.  I think a good way to look at it is that people need to see us meet them wherever they are before they will even begin to listen a little to where we might wish to take them in the awakening process.

Even if they do end up listening a little, the best we can hope for is the planting of a seed thought that gets watered by disparate confirmation at later dates.  I was so adamantly bent against all that apparent conspiracy nonsense (apparent only from my hypnotised vantage point) right up to the moment I took it upon myself to look into some stuff on my own.

Building 7 was my entry point to the down the rabbit hole experience.  Now it all seems so clear, and not even that surprising anymore.  I see the collective us just as responsible for all of this deception as those who offer the lies and deception to the masses that eat it up like there's no tomorrow.

It is so obviously an ongoing relationship with the perpetrators of the complex illusory ruse, therefore we are participants, not victims...  It's not that hard to see once we are willing to look...

That is what I have come to understand from all of this silliness with the repeat button pushed...

Jeff,

I'm pretty much in agreement with Todd and Chris.  My days of trying to convince people who haven't given any indication of openness or doubt about this Matrix, are over.  I have an older couple, clients of mine, who were open (surprisingly, as they have always been fairly well-off conservative Republicans), and now they're watching David Icke and reading William Cooper ("Behold a Pale Horse") and Brice Taylor ("Thanks for the Memories: The Truth Has Set Me Free! The Memoirs of Bob Hope's and Henry Kissinger's Mind-Controlled Slave") -- and buying these books for family and friends!   They were open, and luckily I recognized that.   But they're an unusual case.

But I won't jeapordize my relationships with family and friends who aren't open.  It isn't worth it.  After all, it's they who help make up the daily fabric and quality of our lives, and so they're of considerable value to us.  If they sometime become open to this stuff, great.  If not and the world evolves into its next phase without their ever having known what has happened, it will make no difference at all in the end.

Today, I shared the link to the THRIVE movie in an OWS chat room.  As you may know, the movie is divided into 3 distinct parts.  The 1st presents the concepts of Free Energy and sacred geometry.  The 2nd part reveals the NWO agenda, while the 3rd part brings all parts together and touches upon some solutions.

Someone in chat, watched a few minutes of the 1st part and wrote me back that she didn't 'buy' the movie because it sounded like "pseudo-science."  I thought, "Geez, what would she be saying if she'd watched the part about conspiracies?!"  Nonetheless, I urged her to watch the rest of the movie before making up her mind.

I don't bring conspiracies up in general conversation with people, if I sense they are close-minded.  Sometimes I drop a hint to see what kind of reaction I get... do they know about this stuff or not?  Most of the time, I do my best to plant a few seeds of insight.  I encourage people to grow gardens, store food (in case of economic collapse), and to be neighborly with each other.  I want to be doing so much more than this, but people are generally uninterested or resistant to my ideas.  It pains me to know that despite my foresight, I may not be able to save myself because I am surrounded by people who are trapped in the paradigm that the status quo is alive and well.

It's true that telling people what we know may invite ridicule.  That's the way society has met most every major innovator in history.  If Einstein, Galileo, or Columbus worried about what society thought of them, where would we be now?

I'm not suggesting that we all start raving like Alex Jones.  I think a subtler, more gentle approach is more effective.  The adage, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink," is a good guide.  Although our words may be wasted on people who are not yet ready to hear the truth, what is the alternative?  Who are we really protecting?

If the majority of people don't wake up and reclaim their freedom, isn't our silence condemning humankind to a life of slavery under the New World Order?  If enough people don't come together to stop this boat from sailing, aren't we ALL going down with the ship when it slams into the Georgia Guidestones?  When we continue to speak as if all is well, aren't we just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic?

To me, a little embarrassment is a small price to pay for doing my part to help save humanity.

There is a saying in hypnosis and therapy that goes, "Pace, pace, lead." It means pace where the person is at, i.e. actively listening to what they are saying and reflect it back to them, then do that again before attempting to lead the conversation in a direction you want to take it. I find that this practice is very helpful in all relationships, (when I remember it.)

If people are talking ignorantly about stuff I  know about, I can sometimes lead them to another idea by asking a question such as, "Did you know that the same banking families financed both sides of every war on this planet since the Napoleonic Wars?" or "Have you seen that amazing documentary of the Disclosure Project at the National Press Club? You know, the one where they had all these high ranking military and alphabet agency people breaking their secrecy agreements to speak about their experiences with ufos and extra terestrials. I found it eye-openning; perhaps, you'd enjoy it as well." or "Did you know that the 400 richest people in the US own more of this country's wealth that the lower 150 million people? Imagine?" Of course, I need to be able to back things up with references but these days, with the internet, that's pretty easy."

The challenge for me is to hold them in my heart and just accept them as they are while looking for any opening to inject some idea or information which will expand their frame a bit.

 I heard anyone here say anything about remaining silent. what I heard was several people agree that by observing more, they can tell when it would be useful to offer up information..A wise way to live life.

A little late finding this post but great topic Jeff.  I'm sorry to hear about your experience, it's always difficult to suddenly find ourselves the outcast for simply speaking our truth.  I unfortunately had a similar experience.  We had a few friends over for dinner and everything was going great until dessert when somehow the conversation turned to the OWS movement.  The conversation had been getting louder, as it tends to do after a good meal and a little wine, when one of our guests, a local firewoman, came out with the harshest blanket statement against all the OWS people, calling them idiots and demanding that they were harming our country and should be put in jail.  Well, I didn't want to engage someone who harbored such violent feelings, especially when I had a strong suspicion that she was just repeating what others had told her, but I just couldn't let it slide.  I spoke my peace.  Unfortunately I had to almost yell it because everyone was laughing and carrying on, and she just vehemently kept shaking her head and calling them fools and even went so far as to say, in a very condescending tone, "Oh Francis, I didn't know you were one of those."  Man, what a test this woman was turning out to be!  And I wish I could say I passed with flying colors.  I struggled to keep my cool and continued to make my case but she wasn't having any of it and never let me finish my sentences.  It became extremely frustrating.  We almost started yelling at each other.  Finally she said, "I'll leave if you want me to leave."  But she said it like a threat or an ultimatum, and she said it over and over again like those who've had too much drink tend to do, so that I, feeling truly exasperated by her, sat back and when she finally asked the direct question, "Do you want me to leave?" I simply said, "Ok."  So she left, to my wife's shock and horror because she didn't want such a great night ending on such a sour note, and we all sat back just stunned by the whole thing.  I apologized but said I refused to let her insult them.  Gradually we all agreed that everyone was entitled to their opinions and that it was unfortunate that it had to reach that point.  When my wife went to console her at the bar down the street, my friend commented how impressed he was that while all that was going on he could see that my wife had my back and completely supported me.  He said it was nice to see a couple so in sync.  I told him we were definitely on the same page.  But I told them that I felt out of line for reacting the way I did and my friends understood and were even shocked by her violent reaction to OWS.  The conspiracy issue officially broached, we spent the next hour or so talking over a lot of things that I was pleasantly surprised to find them open to.  Then we agreed I should repair the damage.  In my mind I forgave myself, forgave her, and then went to the bar to smoothe things out, and that's saying a lot because I don't go to bars anymore. 

Francis, that sounds like a common scenario.

The sociopaths, whose life ambition is to control the entire rest of the world, are operating from the lowest part of the brain -- the primative reptilian brain, which governs operations necessary for basic survival.  They are ego-driven, self-centered and self-preserving. 

I have observed that the people who support the status quo are also ego-centered.  As long as they can drink their diet Pepsi and watch Dancing With the Stars, all is right with the world.  If you say otherwise, you're just a "conspiracy nut" because that's what Glenn Beck and his kind say so.  ("Please don't wake me, I'm having such a nice dream.")

Francis, it saddens me to know that you had to be the one to apologize for your guest's temper tantrum.  She was operating from her smallest self.  I am continually amazed when so many people do not recognize this.  I guess I should not be surprised since television promotes such small-mindedness on so many shows -- Big Brother and The Kardashians come to mind.  People are groomed to obsess over petty trivial things, so they hardly recognize what matters.

America's Occupiers are some of the bravest people on the planet.  They are the history makers, the movers and shakers; they are one of our last hopes against a System of tyranny.  These Occupiers voluntarily fight for justice and freedom on behalf of every American who is unable or unwilling to join them. 

They are operating from the most highly-evolved part of the brain, the Cerebrum.  It's what separates humans from other species.  It controls higher thought and complex emotions like empathy, morality, and compassion. (Sociopaths have virtually no morality and are incapable of feeling empathy or compassion for anyone or anything that doesn't directly benefit their self-interests.)

The Occupiers continue to take the high road each time they peacefully stand with moral conviction and courage while they are being pepper sprayed like cockroaches.  They are a modern-day living example of what Jesus preached.  As they are are beaten, they peacefully turn the other cheek. 

Because they have dared to speak out against a System of injustice and corruption, they have been unlawfully spied upon, harrassed, and arrested.  They have been ridiculed or ignored by the Press. Their ranks have been secretly planted with homeless derelicts with mental problems and drug addition in order to defame them.  Although, a small group of agitators instigated violence, they were later found to be a fringe group or assets planted there to sabatoge the movement. Of the tens of thousands of Occupiers marching across the country, I can't think of a single incident when one of them has sunk to the level of their unscrupulous opponents. 

These brave Americans deserve our gratitude and our support.  They are true Patriots.

is why I had to state my peace.  Most of the Occupiers are true patriots.  The problem is that Americans have been so desensitized to violence, and are kept so unaware of the true causes behind the effects, that they are actually cheering as they watch the police mace peaceful protesters who are merely excercising their Constitutional rights to peacefully protest. 

More and more I've come to understand and practice what tscout said about keeping it in and allowing the energies to grow stronger rather than just always blurting them out to what often seems everyone's detriment, as my Thanksgiving episode so aptly demonstated.  And while I think it basically boils down to intent, to desiring the best outcome for all involved first and foremost before we even think to speak, I think it's also extremely important that we learn to go inside and commune with our higher selves before we presume to know what's best for another, no matter how or in what way you choose to do so.  I also strongly believe in the practice of "for those who have ears to hear let them hear."  And unfortunately, most people just don't have ears to hear yet. 

But I wanted to share an example of one of the few occasions where speaking my truth actually did have a positive outcome.  At first I didn't trust Facebook and thought it was an invasion of privacy, and still do to some extent, but I no longer care what about people knowing my info because ultimately I've got nothing to hide and strive to speak as truthfully as possible at all times.  So lately I've viewed Facebook as a means to survey public opinion and discover what my friends and companions value and how they approach different issues.  So recently one of my high school friends posted a picture of six soldiers holding a sign that read, "OCCUPY BAGRAM.  QUIT your bitchin' and get back to work!" and he had nine people give it a thumbs up and four comments like "Right on!"  "Amen!" and even "BACK TO WORK U FUCK N PUSSIES, THANKS MILITARY" while his own words above the pic said, "For those that like to speak freely and protest publicly, we can thank these Americans that we have that ability.  Contribute something beyond the disgruntled ideology and pull your own weight.  God bless the troops." 

I logged off feeling deeply unsettled.  Something about this post spoke to me on a deep level.  At first I wanted to lash back and really lay into him for his short-sightedness.  But I knew that would only provoke more anger and separation and really resolve nothing except my own ego's sense of justification.  So I decided to sleep on it for a night and asked my higher self for help.  I woke up the next day and reread the post and then put it away again for a time resolving to meditate on it a bit longer.  Finally, later that day, having a strong sense that my ego had been quelled, I had a strong feeling that it was time to respond and I even had a clear view of how that response should be crafted.  And so I began, laying it out simply and to the point, "The Federal Reserve is a private bank . . ."  And I methodically went through all the related topics, everything except the UFO issue because I just had a feeling that that might stretch my credibility with this particular friend, and then ended it with saying that I supported the troops so much that I didn't want them to die for these corporations and power players covertly running our country, and that though many of the Occupiers may not be able to articulate this or even fully understand it that this was what they were protesting.  It must have been almost two pages in length and when I posted it I did my best to go inside again, bless it with all the love I could muster and wish for the best possible outcome for all involved, and then left it up to the universe. 

Well, I didn't get anything back for a few days.  But I wouldn't let myself worry about it and put all faith in the Source that it would turn out for the best.  And you know what, it did.  He finally left a comment a few days later saying, "Francis, if all Occupy people were as intelligent & passionate as you we should be so lucky.  Cheers friend."  And I can honestly say I thanked God and felt immensely grateful for the help I had been given in reaching my friend. 

Blessings to you all!

Francis, I really appreciate your process in this. This combination of courage and determination and integrity is a sign of the spreading awakening and it bespeaks our inevitable success. Thank you for seeing it through.

Bless you more,

John

There is much wisdom among us.  Fairy, Peace Pilgrim's words remind me of a technique that Lightwins recently shared.  I can't remember which thread it was on, but maybe you could post it here, John.  It seems to be appropriate.  The method begins "Pace, pace, ____"  (Sorry, I forgot the 3rd word.)

Francis, I think these challenges are enabling you to have some incredible break-throughs.  Your recent posts have given me several "a-ha" moments.

With each passing day, we Americans are confronted with laws and unlawful actions which violate the natural rights that The Constitution was written to protect.  The majority of police and military do not realize that they are being used to serve the unbridled greed of the elitist cult.  They are indoctrinated and brainwashed to believe that killing and brutalizing other humans is patriotic, necessary, and morally justified.  With the recent passage of the National Defense Authorization Act, it will be interesting (at best) to see where their allegiance ultimately lies.

If you have friends or family serving in the military or law enforcement, you might want to share the following resources to help facilitate their awakening:

Website:  Veterans who support the Occupy Movement  http://soldiersforthecause.org/

Video:  Mark Passio on the Dark Occult Mockery of Police and Military Personnel  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-SkriZhPIc

We need to know we have been seen & heard before we can be led in another direction.

I'm so glad you are speaking on this extremely difficult topic. I am slowly finding people with whom I can speak freely and I need those people in my life. They give me the strength I need to navigate the dangerous territory of the sleepers. Many of these "sleepers" are elderly and are dealing with health issues. They have enough on their plate and I listen, smile and bless them in my heart. Those I think may be ready to digest more I suggest they watch the video "Century of Self" in the hopes that they may begin to realize the ways we've been programmed. It is a more neutral video to begin a dialogue because it doesn't refer to the democrats or republicans. In my area, most people my age are republican so it makes no sense to politicize what is going on but to get people to look beyond their blind devotion to either one party or the other.

And I believe you're right, Noa. Those wanting the status quo have bought into consumerism, competitiveness, patiotism and self righteousness, all part of a strong ego based mentality. For some reason, I am being drawn to people who want to know what's really going on. That's when a really honest conversation can occur.  

I would add this note that many young people are also blind to what is happening around them.  So many Americans are working long hours, these days.  In their free time, they distract themselves with electronic gadgets and social networking, and/or numb themselves with alcohol or drugs.  This is true of people of all ages.  The System was designed that way to control us. 

The group of people who disappoint me the most are NOT the folks who are too blind to see what is going on.  The people who challenge my faith are those who know what is going on, but feel helpless to do anything about it.  One of these folks actually said to me, "If the world is going to end, I want to enjoy what's left of it."

That sort of mentality makes me wonder if the entire fate of the world rests in the hands of a tiny minority.

I came upon these "conversation starters" on the Thrive Movement website.  Here you'll find some ways to get people talking about the issues.   http://www.thrivemovement.com/fact_cards