That took me down a thought path I'd never traveled - thanks!

Wendy

I like this; I think that much of our language uses opposites as concepts to aid in communication and comparison, but we forget this and assume that our mental constructs are objective reality. Some of these are more deeply embedded into our psyche than others, like the ideas of space and time.

Lately, I haven't been thinking of people or groups as good or evil anymore, but rather having multiple levels of consciousness and ignorance. Time and time again, I find in myself another layer of ignorance, and I realize that perhaps the only thing different between me and those whom we would typically consider evil is the level of consciousness and ignorance they have been exposed to.

for some reason i cant see the videos sometimes. i would like to watch it, would someone please send me a link? : )

When I try to make sense of people's actions (or governments, corporations, etc...), I first try to remember that everyone's story is different.  My (basically benign and easy) upbringing may make me recoil and judge someone else for an act that I think is evil or immoral, but not everyone had the kind of upbringing that affords them that luxury.  The second question I try to remember is, "Would I do the same thing (perhaps at a different scale) if put in the same situation?"  The likely answer is "hell yes!" in more instances than I care to admit. 

Lastly (if all else fails), I try to remind myself that there are a LOT of bad things that have been the breaking point for people to wake up.  My 9/11 breaking point was not the same as say another person's bee colony collapse waking up - but they did the same thing.  Perhaps the folks we think of as bad are sent to be our saviors.  Would there be a Jesus the Christ without Judas (and don't cha think Jesus knew that would be the case?)? 

I still call Monsanto and Exxon Mobile evil.  It's hard for me not to, but in tiny windows of time when I am feeling enlightened, they are doing everything they can to wake as many people as possible.

lots of love,

k

Here's the link Stacey:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0Go67vfzko

  In my opinion there is no such thing as negative everything that you think is negative can be turned into a positive . For example you fall and break your leg but the lesson learned is very valuable . You now know not to put yourself in that position again and if it was something you could not control, then you know  what could possibly happen to you again, if you put yourself out there in that same manner .   Lessons are preplanned in my opinion you choose your lesson before you put on your physical suit that you need to maintain in this   physical plane ,that is another reason why we come here to visit over and over and when you are done you don't come back agian .   Then as a whole we will all move into 4th density together.

           Pretty obvious there are unanswered questions but it feels right, intuition is very important to trust. 

    Love all<> Eric

someone said the holocaust was actually the thing that saved the planet from something far worse-all out nuclear war. That it made us think twice and that we set it up to do so.

thank you Noa.

Hope that didn't seem insensitive. I was trying to say maybe horrible things can have unexpected purpose or benefit. A Christian friend cannot except my view that evil is a lack of love. She is insistent that evil is a thing. I asked her if Satan is real-yes! (not my view)/ I asked her if God could control Satan-she said no. Satan was beyond Gods control. She said it was because God granted us free will. It has a certain logic.

I was thinking all day about this quote that seems just out of reach somehow, so I'll have to paraphrase...

"What feels perfectly normal for the spider is chaos for the fly" - Morticia Addams.

It is all perspective - good and evil included. 

Brian, I agree with your prior statement (and perhaps I'm insensitive as well) - but an individual may have a different perspective about evil than say, the entire world, 50+ years later.  Jeffery Dhamer's last victim was the reason there was not a next victim.  We barely understand what is in our own best and highest good (and oftentimes that is only in hindsight), how could we possibly understand it at a global / universal level?  I think when it comes to that, I'll have to get out of the judge's circle - I'd be over my head bigtime.  I know what doesn't feel right for me - when I go against my own truth.  That maybe can keep me busy for the rest of my life. 

lots of love,

k

I guess, Noa, it depends on what you are referring to when you say, "what we are witnessing".  "Good" and "bad" come in all different sizes and shapes, and unless I missed something specific in the original post, we were just talking about "evil" in general, and nothing specific. 

I am more convinced than ever that until we are willing to dive deeply into our own personal relationships - with others and ourselves, and heal the hurts that are found there, that we will not see a world which is benign, and safe, and working in proper order. 

Lots of love,

k

Beautifully put, Kathy! What I'm finding more and more is that what I see out in the world is a reflection fo what is going on inside of me. The more harmornious all of my personal relationships become in my life, the more harmony I am seeing out in the world. I love this process!

With much love and joy,
Fred

"Some people say that we'd be complacent and ungrateful if life were just a bowl of cherries,"

That presupposes that bowl was somehow insufficient. I believe people think thoughts like that because they aren't imagining better.I think those who raised us wanted us not to suscribe to ideas that led you astray. Ideas that could cause you to waste your life or make you vulnerable. So don't fill your head with ideas about quesioning the current strife and disorder. Don't believe it is easy. Life is hard. Life is struggle. People are selfish etc.

At one time I spent alot of time studying sacred geometry, the circle and circular theory.  I particularly liked one woman's work, Ilexa Yardley, and at that time she had a wonderful website.  I went looking for it today and can no longer locate it, only a site selling her book, but I came across another site and part of what he's says is what the above posts made me think of.  When considering good and evil we're talking about polarity.

http://wholemovement.com/

Folding circles demonstrates a process of Wholeness beyond all other shapes and forms. Given the circle is Whole, thus self-referencing, then everything is in the circle. It is then a process of how to get some of that everything out from the circle. The reasoning of a first grade student when faced with this problem and a paper plate circle in front of him, suggested we make space. His solution for making space was to fold the circle in half. That of course is the first thing to do.

As a compressed sphere, folding the circle in half defines spherical space, at the same time decompressing spherical information revealing a systematic and informational process about pattern generation and reformation. The most obvious connections to what is generated by folding the circle are geometry, mathematical functions, and elements used in the visual arts. The proportions, ratios, and symmetries described in all fields of study, first observed in nature, are inherent in and revealed by folding circles.

It turns out that the circle reveals principles and patterns in the first fold that are fundamental to all subsequent folding, reforming, transforming, and joining to develop complex systems. This kind and amount of demonstration does not occur anywhere else in one place. There is no mathematical calculating necessary; only a sequential touching one point to another and creasing. Observation about movement and change is an important part of this simple, yet comprehensive process. It is unity of the Whole that generates and regulates the sequential development of differentiated, discreet, individual parts within the circumference boundary. There is nothing arbitrary, ambiguous, or limiting about folding and joining circles.

Hehaka Sapa (Black Elk of the Oglala Sioux), said Everything an Indian does is in a circle, and that is because the power of the world always works in circles, and everything tries to be round. In the old days when we were a strong and happy people, all our power came to us from the sacred hoop of the nation, and so long as the hoop was unbroken the people flourished.

Everything the Power of the World does is done in a circle. The sky is round, and I have heard that the earth is round like a ball, and so are all the stars. The wind, in its greatest power whirls. Birds make their nest in circles, for theirs is the same religion as ours. The sun comes forth and goes down again in a circle. The moon does the same and both are round. Even the seasons form a great circle in their changing, and always come back again to where they were. The life of a man is a circle from childhood to childhood, and so it is in everything where power moves. Ch. 17 : The First Cure

In further searching this is all I could find from Ilexa Yardley:

What is the circular theory? Nature is balanced by the hidden circle between any X and Y.  Why is this important?  Two, then, is the basis for nature, therefore, 50-50 is the basis for reality.  How does this affect me?  50-50 explains everything.  50-50 is 100-0 or any other combination of two units. Therefore, two is the correct articulation for any unit, making two the maximum minimum number unifying reality. Thus, a hidden circle presents and resolves complementary opposition and duplicitous singularity, also known as nature (Y-N, T-F, M-F, 0-1, X-Y, X-X').  Disagreement proves the theory.  Observation is flawed, all of it, because in a cyclical reality, half of the picture is hidden, thus problems in all relationships surface 'down the road...'  The Circular Theory exposes this ubiquitous dynamic as a hidden circle expressing itself producing a logical, non-hierarchical theory-of-everything for all disciplines.  This gives all of us a sound basis for strategic thinking since a hidden circle (a universal cycle) connecting everything to everything is a reasonable explanation for our deepest questions and a stable solution for our most intractable problems.  In your reality you are the only observer, thus, it's all about you because only you can make an observational choice.  Integrating a 50-50 circle as the basis normalizes your observational choice so you can plan for the anomalies (e.g. the other person's point of view will conflict with whatever observational choice you make).   The obvious deduction: observation and deduction (any X and Y) share a 50-50 circle.

Anyway, this may seem a little disjointed if you've not thought about it before, but spend a little time thinking about it.  Right and wrong are two points on one line, one line lying within a circle and expanding outward in many directions. Makes me think more about what 'circles' I'm traveling in.

Courageous Professor Silenced After Talk on Cults, Ritual Abuse, and Mind Control

"When you find the same highly esoteric information in different states from Florida to California and from different countries, you start to get an idea that there's something going on that is very large and very well coordinated. So I have gone from someone not knowing what to think about it all to someone who clearly believes ritual abuse is real... I [have had] concern because of personal threats. I finally decided to hell with them. If they're going to kill me, they're going to kill me. It's time to share more information with therapists."
  ~~   Prof. D. Corydon Hammond in landmark lecture on the role of cults in ritual abuse and mind control

Dear friends,

The revealing essay below on the role of cults in ritual abuse and mind control consists of key excerpts from a courageous, landmark lecture by psychologist D. Corydon Hammond, a respected professor and author of many key books. A PEERS board member was present and greatly appreciated this powerful presentation given in 1992. In this revealing talk, Dr. Hammond took great personal risk in presenting extensive research into ritual abuse being carried out by a system of cults around the world. If you doubt that such a system exists, watch the powerfully revealing Discovery Channel documentary Conspiracy of Silence at this link.

These highly secretive cults appear to be intent upon gaining as much control over our world as possible through developing an army of Manchurian Candidates which have infiltrated many aspects of government. Due to intense threats, Dr. Hammond stopped speaking about this topic shortly after this speech and has remained quiet since. Yet the speech continues to be highly regarded among many therapists who deal with these issues. Please help to spread the word to those who would benefit from this powerful information. And don't miss the excellent suggestions in the "What you can do" box at the bottom of this article.

With best wishes for a brighter future,
Fred Burks for PEERS and WantToKnow.info

Note: I managed to reach Dr. Hammond by phone. He refused to talk about this speech. I have very little doubt he's been threatened. To read the highly revealing full transcript of this speech, click here.

Credentials of D. Corydon Hammond

Professor of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation, Utah School of Medicine
Past President, American Society of Clinical Hypnosis
Past President, International Society for Neuronal Regulation (ISNR)
Director and Founder of the Sex and Marital Therapy Clinic, University of Utah
Past Editor, The American Journal of Clinical Hypnosis
Author of 57 journal articles or reviews and eight books, including a leading textbook.

Cults, Ritual Abuse and Mind Control
Key Excerpts from Dr. Hammond's Talk

I hope to spend an hour or so talking specifically about ritual abuse, mind control programming and brainwashing – how it's done and how to get on the inside. This is a topic that in the past I haven't been willing to speak about publicly. I have done that in small groups and in consultations, but recently decided that it was high time that somebody started doing it.

[Early on] I picked out about a dozen and a half therapists that I thought were seeing more ritual abuse than anyone else, and I started surveying them. Those therapists said, "You're asking more specific questions than I've ever asked my patients." Many of them not only got back with answers, but said, "You've got to talk to this patient or these two patients." As a result, I ended up doing hundreds of dollars worth of telephone interviewing.

I came out of that with a grasp of a variety of brainwashing methods being used all over the country. I started to hear some similarities. Whereas to begin with, I hadn't known how widespread things were, I was now getting a feeling that there were a lot of people reporting some similar things, and that there must be some degree of communication to cause this.

When you find the same highly esoteric information in different states from Florida to California and from different countries, you start to get an idea that there's something going on that is very large and very well coordinated. So I have gone from someone not knowing what to think about it all to someone who clearly believes ritual abuse is real.

For a long time I would give information to a select group of therapists that I knew and trusted, and say, "Spread it out. Don't spread my name. But here's some information. If you find it's on target, share it with other therapists, and I'd appreciate your feedback." People were hungry for information. Later, I and a few others that I'd shared it with were hedging out of concern because of personal threats and death threats. I finally decided to hell with them. If they're going to kill me, they're going to kill me. It's time to share more information with therapists.

Here's where the ritual abuse appears to have come from. Near the end of World War II, Allen Dulles [later to become Director of the CIA] and other people from our intelligence community were in Switzerland making contact to get out Nazi scientists. As World War II ended, they not only got out rocket scientists, but they also got out some Nazi doctors who had been doing mind control research in the concentration camps. They secretly brought them to the United States [through Project Paperclip].

Along with them was a young teenager who had been raised in a Hasidic Jewish tradition with a background of Cabalistic mysticism. That probably appealed to people in the cult, because by the turn of the century Aleister Crowley had been introducing Cabalism into Satanic stuff. Cabalistic mysticism is mixed into all this. I suspect it may have formed some bond between the boy and the Nazis. He saved his skin by collaborating and being an assistant to them in the death-camp experiments. They brought him with the Nazis to the US.

They started doing mind-control research for military intelligence in military hospitals in the United States. The people that came, the Nazi doctors, were Satanists. Subsequently, the boy changed his name, Americanized it some, obtained an M.D. degree, became a physician and continued this work that appears to be at the center of cult programming today. His name is known to patients throughout the country. Dr. Greenbaum. I've had patients volunteer that there were parts inside named Mr. Greenbaum. It is also called "Green Programming."

The way you create Manchurian Candidates is you divide the mind. It's part of what the intelligence community wanted. If you're going to get an assassin, you divide the mind. Cases like the assassination of Robert Kennedy fascinate me. Bernard Diamond, on examining Sirhan Sirhan, found that he had total amnesia of the killing of Robert Kennedy. Yet under hypnosis he could remember it. But after he was out of hypnosis, he could not remember a thing, despite suggestions he would be able to consciously remember.

What they basically do in these programs is they get a child and start programming in basic forms, it appears, by about age two and a half, after the child's already been made dissociative. They'll make him dissociative not only through abuse, like sexual abuse, but also things like putting a mousetrap on their fingers and teaching the parents, "You do not go in until the child stops crying. Only then do you go in and remove it." They start in rudimentary forms at about age two and a half and kick into high gear, it appears, around six or six and a half. They continue through adolescence with periodic reinforcements in adulthood.

There's an identification code that people have. It will involve their birth date. It may involve places where they were programmed, and it will usually involve a number that will be their birth order, like zero-two if they were second born. It will usually also involve a number that represents the number of generations in the cult, if they are bloodlines. I've seen up to twelve now, twelve generations.

When you go below the alters (dissociated or split personalities), you then have programs Alpha, Beta, Delta, Theta, and so forth – the Greek-letter programming – and they will have backup programs. There will typically be an erasure code for the backups. Alphas appear to represent general programming; the first kind of things put in. Betas appear to be sexual programs, for example how to perform oral sex in a certain way, how to perform sex in rituals, or programming related to prostitution and producing and directing child pornography. Deltas are killers trained in how to kill in ceremonies. There will also be some self-harm stuff mixed in.

Gamma appears to be system protection and deception programming which will provide misinformation to you the therapist, try to misdirect you, tell you half-truths, and protect different things inside. Omega has to do with self-destruct programming. Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. This can include self-mutilation as well as suicide programming.

There can also be other Greek letters. I found, for example in one case, that Zeta had to do with the production of snuff films that this patient was involved with. With another person, Omicron had to do with their linkage and associations with drug smuggling and with the Mafia, big business, and government leaders. Some are come-home programs, "come back to the cult" programs.

One patient about eight years old had gone through a great deal of early programming which took place on a military installation. That's not uncommon. I've treated and been involved with cases who were part of this original mind control project, as well as having their programming on military installations in many cases.

This particular child was in a private cult school where several sessions occurred a week. She would be taken into a room to get all hooked up. She had electrodes placed on her; one in the vagina, four on the head. They would then begin by saying, "You are angry with someone in the group." She'd say, "No, I'm not," and they'd violently shock her. They would say the same thing until she complied and didn't make any negative response.

We found that [another patient] was having her therapy monitored every session by her mother (who was her programmer), out-of-state, over the telephone. She still had intact suggestions that had been given to her that at a certain future time she would kill her therapist. I know [other] patients who've gone to other states and simply had deep-level alters pick up the phone, call and say, "This is our new address and phone number," so that they could be picked up locally.

I wouldn't try to work with any kind of deep material or deprogramming with those being monitored, because I think it can do nothing but get them tortured unless they can get into a safe, secure inpatient unit for an extended period of time to do some of the work required. If they are in a cult from their area, and they are still being monitored and messed with, my own personal opinion is we can't get them well, and we can't offer anything more than humanitarian caring and supportiveness.

This type of programming will [often] be done in the cults. My impression is that this is simply done in people where they have great access to them, or where they're bloodline and so their parents are in it. Or they can be raised in it from an early age. If they are bloodline, they are the chosen generation. If not, they're expendable. They are expected to die and not get well. There will be booby traps set in your way such that if they aren't non-bloodline people, when they get well, they will kill themselves. Satanism shows up as the philosophy overriding all of this.

You'll find physicians heavily involved. The cults have encouraged their own to go to medical school, to prescribe drugs to take care of their own, to get access to medical technology, and to be above suspicion. There is a couple in Utah, in fact, who have been nailed now. We now have in Utah two full time ritual abuse investigators with statewide jurisdiction under the Attorney General's Office to do nothing but investigate this.

"What's the purpose of it?" My best guess is that they want an army of Manchurian Candidates, tens of thousands of mental robots who will do prostitution, child pornography, smuggle drugs, engage in international arms smuggling, do snuff films, and all sorts of other very lucrative things. These Manchurian Candidates will do the bidding of their masters, so that eventually the megalomaniacs at the top believe they can create a Satanic Order that will rule the world.

The evidence comes from victims who are imperiled witnesses. The interesting thing is how many people have described the same scenario and how many of these people that we have worked with who have had relatives in NASA, in the CIA, and in the military, including very high-ups in the military.

My personal opinion has come to be if they're going to kill me, they're going to kill me. There's going to be an awful lot of information that's been put away that will go to investigative reporters and multiple investigative agencies. If I ever have an accident, an awful lot of people like you, I hope, will be pushing for a very large-scale investigation. I think we have to stand up at some point as some kind of moral conscience.

Note: Shortly after this speech, Dr. Hammond stopped all research and talks on this subject due to threats. To read the highly revealing full transcript of this speech, click here. Watch the powerfully revealing Discovery Channel documentary Conspiracy of Silence corroborating the above talk at this link. And for one brave woman's powerful personal experience of healing from these programs, click here. By each of us doing our best to transform the part of the world within our reach, we can and will build a brighter future.