Every forum I read has a post about how deeply spiritual and awesome this movie is. Going to see it today with my wife.

Will check back with my comments after :)

I see where you're coming from Chris

I'm still excited to see it though :)

Looking forward to your take on it after viewing....

Ended up being too busy to get out today, gonna try and make it on Tuesday (cheap night) instead haha

I revised my post above to include a link at the bottom that makes it much easier to access a PDF of History, A Spiritual Analysis.  One hell of an eye opening and refreshing read...  puts so many things in perspective

That gives me some hope, a hope I hope is not in vain while having fair reason to suspect that it may be concerning sensational half a billion dollar Hollywood productions like this.  I think a big part of what I am trying to say, more to myself than others maybe, is to remain spiritually sober during these days when the sensationalism is obviously being ratcheted up, way up.  I leave it up to each of us to try and figure out what that means.  And how this plays out is anyone's guess at this point.  I have very good reason to suspect that the ruling class elite calling the shots have access to some hidden technology, directed energy, free energy and holographic light and sound, that would definitely make for one hell of a false flag production when and if they decide to utilize it for such purposes.  Nothing should surprise us anymore after 9-11...

I tend to be somewhat gullible by nature all my life, so I needed to work on a more balanced discipline without moving clear over to the jaded cynical side in the process.  I have reached a better balance, while still finding moments of swinging toward one side or the other (gullible/sentimental or jaded/cynical).

However, I am thoroughly convinced now that there are no "bad" experiences in this amazing cosmos designed for infinite experience leading us on a path of spiritual evolution, just ones we may prefer more than others at this somewhat elementary stage of our burgeoning Conscious existence. My alternate take on Avatar sprung naturally from having that very interesting read about patriarchal history so fresh in my mind, along with my recent re-read of Quiet Weapons for a Silent War and Report from Iron Mountain...

What is really cool about the economy of simultaneous experience is that I could be getting some authentic warning signs about how the elite will try to pull the wool over our eyes while at the same time you are being very much and very authentically inspired toward things you are learning about your own spiritual evolution, and all of this and more from one source.  This definitely raises the question about how the primary intentions of the ruling class elite may blow up in their pretty little faces, LOL

I watched Avatar last night and thoroughly enjoyed it. I was sad that the end scenario was the typical battle of good vs. evil, but I know, too, that you pretty much can't have a blockbuster hit without that. The deeper message of interconnectedness and spirituality was just awesome! I think this movie will help to open many people more deeply to our divine nature. Enjoy!

With lots of love and excitement,
Fred

This is so inspirational that I just had to post it here (from page 32):

"Individually and collectively, we must now remove the curse, set the Goddess free and reclaim the power of the night. We have to do this not because some wise person or some holy book says so, or because somehow we think we will be more spiritual. I am sure you can see by now, the reasons go far deeper than such superficial nonsense."

"We are at a point in our evolutionary journey in consciousness, where Adam can no longer continue alone. Our image of the Male Deity can no longer facilitate the deeper yearning of our hearts. The intellect without the balancing qualities of the emotions and intuition has become suicidal. Not only has Adam become suicidal, but he is on the verge of turning the entire Garden into "the Wasteland". We have come to the point that if we are to survive as a species, the Goddess not only has to be set free, but welcomed back into the bridal chamber of our soul."

"How do we begin this process then? How do we move into our collective and personal darkness, break the spell and lift the curse? We begin by examining our most basic of all human relationships, our relationship with our own body. It is my realization that you can't truly begin to love yourself or anyone else for that matter, while rejecting your own physical reality."

"It is very important to begin this process by fully recognizing your body as part of who you are at this level of experience. Your body is your own unique connection with this dimension of existence. It is your own particular connection with your mother and father and with all your larger human family. It is also your connecting link with all other life forms here, and with our one common mother - the Earth."

"To understand and strengthen this primal relationship with your body, will automatically transform all other relationships as well. This process is not easy, and cannot be completed in a week, a month or a year. It is an on-going process of exploration of who you are, and on a deep emotional level will begin to reconnect you with aspects of yourself, that in the present moment you are scarcely aware of."

"As you begin to explore this relationship, you will also begin to recognize that many of your negative beliefs and feelings associated with your body, are simply the reflections of the predominant emotions and beliefs of the culture you happened to be born into. These programs have been deeply imprinted into your body and mind, and have been running for your entire lifetime. They've not only influenced how you thought, felt and acted, but even helped to establish the very parameters of what you could or couldn't experience."

"I'm not writing about some esoteric fine point here - that, for the most part, remains a question for academic debate. I'm relating to beliefs about our biology that have left all of us deeply wounded and our bodies damaged and scarred. And this trauma began before we emerged from the womb."

and then this on page 37,

"This is not about blaming people. It is about recognizing the mythologies that we have been living and the cultural programs we have been ritualistically playing out. The consequences have now become so severe, the pain so deep, the nightmare so terrible, that collectively we are beginning to wake up."

BEFORE READING - POTENTIAL SPOILER ALERT - READ ONLY IF YOUVE SEEN IT

Don't even know where to begin... a lot of very deep and profound symbols, dialogue, concepts and more. And wow is it good to see aliens as the GOOD guys for once!

Saw it last night and I'm still abosorbing. I think the physical brain/body connection to nature, animals, trees etc. the people had may have represented the pineal gland or 'third eye.' There was a lot more I noticed but will have to watch again I think. Didn't see it in 3D unfortunately, don't have that technology in this small town haha.

Cheers!

I am excitedly anticipating seeing Avitar tomorrow, Christmas Eve.  The trailers have totally blown me away. WOW.

What amazing synchronicity!  I have an alternative viewpoint that is greatly assisted by something very interesting I read recently that describes the history of mankind very very well, in the context of the matriarchal "goddess" worshipping peaceful agricultural societies where men and women were considered equal and did not study war or conquest.

The paper then talks about the patriarchal cultures that developed in the central asia region at that time, and all that horrid inquisition-type patriarchal conquest that squashed so so many of these peaceful well-balanced societies, which has lead us to this very time now when the world is so utterly dominated by this patriarchal image and world view.  So much so that we can hardly see that the whole structure of this Avatar movie is developed and maintained well within the fundamental/essential context of patriarchal conquest-oriented thinking, for even the "good side" in this movie man's up (typical Hollywood formula) and fights back.  And many would instantly say, well that's the right thing to do, fight back!  Is this true, or are we completely hypnotized by the patriarchal regime we have grown up in?  It is what Michel Chossudovsky calls "manufactured dissent", when both sides of an issue are provided so as to control the issue and maintain the paradigm and dominant world view.

I present this for an alternative "outside the box" viewpoint that could very likely be successfully argued  in a court of law when one takes a keen look at how mankind developed and came to this place we are at right now, deep within a patriarchal system that has all but dominated the whole planet now, with only a few pockets of true resistance.  A time when there are many who think and feel that they are part of some form of resistance, but are actually well within the confines of the well-developed ruse that provides both sides of any issue for a hypnotised populous always ready for further instructions from the very well developed and organized regime.

The paper I am relating to I found on scribd.com, a wonderful interactive resource library.  If you join (for free) you can download PDF's of desired documents and papers for free when available, which is true the vast majority of the time.  Here is the link.  If anyone has any trouble getting a copy of this excellent document covering the matriarchal and patriarchal history of mankind for the past 12,000 years or so, you can email me at [email protected] and I will attach a PDF copy to a return email...

History a Spiritual Analysis

Again, I would not even bother anyone with this alternative view if there was nothing to it.  Read the document and then watch the movie or the extended movie trailer YouTube - Avatar: The Movie (New Extended HD Trailer) and see if you can see how the whole thing fits well within a patriarchal world view while giving the sensitive types something "spiritual" to chew on, or hinting at esoteric truths to win them/us over and make us feel like things are going our way.  I know this sounds a bit conspiratorial (gee, ya think?), but the shoe sure seems to fit like a dream and a glove in this case...  And why should this come as any big surprise when you think about it...

Holding you all in the Love and Light of the One.  Stay frosty and spiritually sober, they're kicking it up a notch!!!!  But this is a good thing, part of the ongoing increasing catalyst that brings dynamic change in quantum packets and leaps at times in evolution.  That is very cool!!!!!

here is an easier way to access the PDF of History a Spiritual Analysis

http://api.ning.com/files/Dm3Yx61hdDWiVNA2ApdMu7tGVJnKX6ZdotOnNq9TIdQFwA...

and a very interesting website relating to the author

Vamacara Tantra - The Yoga of Pleasure and Power

Hi everyone,

Have watched Avatar twice now....love it!.....I especially love the line...."I see you"......

I just wish that there was an example in reality where the natives actually did get up and "win"....ie..survive intact.......I don't know of any but if anyone does it would be inspiring to see....ahhh...good over "evil" it is fun and does suck you in......Lol...

L

Jez

Yeah, I like that, it's not over.....of course.....

Thanks,

L

Jez

Just saw it yesterday. How about the beautiful grahics. This is what made the film spiritual for me.  Thanks for the recommendation, I never would have seen it if you guys hadn't posted about it.

Wendy

I finally got to see it yesterday.  The weather was too unpredictable when I had originally planned it. All I can say is what an awesomely beautiful and thought provoking film.  Yes, as Bob said, it had to have the battle conflict to get the interest. But even so there was so much spiritually uplifting offerings in it, they outweighed the negative considerably.  I was immensely taken with the reflection of the Native American, indeed all aboriginal cultures  used in the film.  It spoke in loud prayer the Lakota prayer, Mitakuye Oyasin, "All my relatives"  meaning I am part of all that is.

It took me a while to find this tread but I finally did ressurect it. The reason is that David Icke has written an article which is so exceptionally insightful, as his articles usually are, that I felt I had to share it with all of you.

I am providing the link to the article which is on his website.

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/30178-the-story-of-the-earth-in-reverse-

Ooops, I just realized that it is available only on subscription. Here is a copy of the article.

David Icke: Avatar Movie – A Story of Earth…In Reverse

Posted On: February 21st, 2010 | Category: Consciousness | 41 Comments

The following information was an article featured in one of David Icke’s recent newsletters. We here at Collective Evolution thought it would be a great idea to share this with you as it coincides with our understanding of a very significant piece of history here on Earth. It is definitely an interesting read to say the least. Enjoy!

 

 

Hello all …

I don’t go to see films very much, but I have been to watch the much-hyped James Cameron movie, Avatar, and I am glad I did.

I thought it was excellent and the animation and special effects were cutting edge, but what interested me most is that it basically tells the story of what has happened on Earth – albeit back to front.

The plot, which takes place in the year 2154, involves a people with blue skin and lion-type noses who are native to Pandora, ‘a moon of the gas giant, Polyphemus, which orbits Alpha Centauri A’. They live in total harmony with their environment and they know that everything is connected and part of a unified Consciousness.

The trees and plant life of Pandora have formed electrochemical connections between the roots which act as neurons to form a sentient planet-wide ‘brain’, or Consciousness. The blue people, called the ‘Na’vi’, have their own ‘root connectors’ which allow them to ‘plug in’, through plants and trees, to this network of ‘Oneness’.

But then the humans arrive with their advanced technology. They are administrators and soldiers representing the RDA corporation which wants to mine Pandora for an extremely valuable ore called ‘unobtainium’ (the dictionary definition of this word is ‘a humorous colloquialism that refers to any extremely rare, costly, or physically impossible material needed to fulfil a given design for a given application’).

The humans set up a sealed base to protect themselves from what is to them the poisonous atmosphere of Pandora. When they are not in the base or their flying craft they have to wear masks to breathe.

Some of the humans are able to mingle with the Na’vi for purposes of manipulation thanks to genetically-engineered Na’vi bodies which they technologically ‘possess’.

One human, a former Marine called Jake Sully, agrees to be part of this infiltration because he is genetically compatible with a Na’vi body that had been specially made for his late brother. These human-Na’vi DNA hybrids are called avatars.

Jake, however, falls in love with a Na’vi woman and with the lifestyle in general, and a battle ensues in which he helps to drive out the other humans, but not before they have destroyed the Na’vi’s communal home which was located on the unobtainium deposits that the humans had come to mine.

I knew nothing about the movie or the plot when I arrived at the cinema, I just felt compelled to go. But it soon became clear that I was watching – in theme – how the Earth and humanity were hijacked by the Reptilian race that I have written so extensively about.

My new book, due out in the spring, expands massively on this and so much more, thanks to the wealth of new information that has come my way in recent months. I am not writing or talking about this yet, because I want it to come out in one go, all dots connected, and not in dribs and drabs.

But, for sure, the Avatar story captures the theme of the Reptilian takeover, whether James Cameron meant it that way, or not.

To see this, you have to reverse the roles. The indigenous blue people are symbolic of humans on Earth aeons ago, and the humans that arrive on Pandora in search of the unobtainium are symbolic of the Reptilians who came here.

The ancient Sumerian Tablets, discovered in what is now called Iraq, say that a non-human race, the ‘Anunnaki’, came to Earth to mine for gold in Africa, and the Tablets describe how they genetically-manipulated humans to be their worker-slaves. Evidence of gold mining at least 100,000 years ago has been found in Africa.

Zulu legends also support this same theme and, together with ancient accounts from all over the world, they speak of a ‘Golden Age’ when the whole Earth was lush and beautiful and the people lived in harmony with their environment.

There was no hunger or poverty because people lived off the plentiful fruits of the land and forests, especially the forests, which covered much of the planet. The weather was stable and there were no seasons, because the Earth spun on a different axis.

The planet was also encircled by a canopy of water in the high atmosphere that protected people from the harsh rays of the Sun, the Zulu legends say. As a result, there were no deserts and water was plentiful.

Then came the Reptilian intervention that brought geological and biological catastrophe to the Earth. I explain in the new book how this was done – it is quite a shocker.

Anyway, the water canopy was destroyed and this is biblically symbolised as the 40 days and 40 nights of rain. The Earth moved on its axis and its relationship with the Sun dramatically changed to give us the four seasons.

The Earth’s climate was transformed and so was human life. Forests were lost on a vast scale and deserts began to form. Plentiful food sources were destroyed in many places and life became a struggle to survive.

Reptilian geneticists created a new human to serve their interests and it is significant that human brain capacity increased for perhaps millions of years until about 200,000 years ago when that suddenly stopped and began to reverse. It is in this same period that humans began to look something like they do today.

The Avatar story also includes genetically-created Na’vi-human hybrids to infiltrate the Na’vi by looking like they do. This is precisely what has happened on Earth with the Reptilians ‘possessing’ the Reptilian-human hybrids that I have written about for so long.

These are the bloodlines that control the global secret society network and, through that, the governments, banks, corporations, media, military, ‘education’ and so on.

Crucial to human control has been to suppress activity in the right side of the brain, or at least to stop it transmitting that activity, awareness and information to the left side via the ‘bridge’ known as the corpus callosum.

The two hemispheres see reality in fundamentally different ways and this is expressed in the very different perspectives of the humans and the blue-skinned Na’vi in the Avatar movie.

The right-side of the brain connects us to ‘out there’, the infinite realms beyond the confines of the five senses and ‘visible light’ where everything is experienced as ‘One’. The Na’vi represent an open right-brain which understands that everything is connected to everything else.

Jill Bolte Taylor, an American brain scientist, experienced right-brain reality very powerfully when she suffered a haemorrhage that stopped the left-side functioning – dominating – as it usually does. She was on an exercise machine when she realised something very strange was happening:

‘… it was as though my consciousness had shifted away from my normal perception of reality, where I’m the person on the machine having the experience, to some esoteric space where I’m witnessing myself having this experience. I look down at my arm and I realize that I can no longer define the boundaries of my body. I can’t define where I begin and where I end, because the atoms and the molecules of my arm blended with the atoms and molecules of the wall. And all I could detect was this energy. Energy. And I’m asking myself, ‘What is wrong with me, what is going on?…

… ‘And at first I was shocked to find myself inside of a silent mind. But then I was immediately captivated by the magnificence of energy around me. And because I could no longer identify the boundaries of my body, I felt enormous and expansive. I felt at one with all the energy that was, and it was beautiful there.’

This is the limitless, unified ‘world’ that has been kept from us by the left-brain which dominates our sense of reality and entraps us in the five senses.

The symbolic soldiers guarding the entrance to the left-brain. Picture by Neil Hague (www.neilhague.com).

The left side of the brain is our ‘this world’ reality of language and structure, what passes for ‘logic’, and the general ‘physical’ world perspective. It decodes information encoded in the energetic fabric of our reality into sequence to give us the illusion of ‘time’ passing from ‘past’ to future’, while the right-brain knows that there is only the eternal ‘Now’.

The left hemisphere dominates especially in ‘academics’ and those who have passed through the ‘higher’ levels of the sausage machine that is bravely called ‘education’.

The whole global political and economic system is run by dark-suits trapped in left-brain reality. This is why we live in a left-brain society and the right-brain perspective is ridiculed or condemned as ‘crazy’. The human invaders in Avatar personify this left-brain domination.

They have no appreciation or understanding of the interconnected harmony and mutual respect between the Na’vi, animals, trees and plants. It is just mumbo-jumbo to them. The humans live in the ‘real world’ of physical ‘apartness’ with the philosophy of see-want-take. In this case, take the unobtainium.

If that means destroying the home and way of life of people who happen to live on the resource deposits that you want to make your fortune, then so be it. What does it matter? They are just primitive savages and we are only destroying a forest.

Who cares? Send the boys in.

The left-brain mentality has no empathy with the consequences for others of its actions, because empathy comes from making a connection to other expressions of life, be they people, trees, plants or animals, and putting yourself in their situation.

Left-brain prisoners can’t do this when they are decoding everything as ‘individual’ with only ’space’ in between. The right-brain knows that there is no ’space in between’ – only a single energetic field that connects us all.

It is this sense of, and literal, connection between all apparently ‘individual’ form that gives us a sense of empathy, the fail-safe system that prevents extreme behaviour and actions that cause suffering for others.

Without empathy, anything goes, and the Reptilian manipulation has specifically set out to disconnect us from right-brain reality to (a) stop us accessing far higher levels of awareness and intelligence, and (b) to suppress our sense of empathy.

You see this so clearly with those in the military that can pepper-bomb cities and fire missiles into civilian areas in the Gaza Strip without any emotional consequences for themselves over the death, destruction and suffering that they cause.

Once people are stripped of empathy they become robotic machines without feeling or compassion and so much military training is designed to do just that. So it is with the dark suits who manipulate and declare the wars and devastate the economies of target countries in places like Africa to line their own pockets.

The humans in Avatar are just like this, apart from the very few who ‘turned’ eventually. To the left-brain mentality (a village idiot compared with the right), it was all so simple.

We want the resources to make lots of money and those primitive blue people are living on top of them and won’t move. No problem, scramble the aircraft and let ‘em ‘ave it. The left-brain, to use a quote from the British writer, Oscar Wilde, knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.

Look around, it’s the world we live in.

The genetic and other manipulation has turned most of humanity into a terminal of the Reptilian hive mind, something I explain in great detail in the new book. Humans have become their oppressors in mind and mentality – just as they were meant to.

Or, at least, great swathes of them have. Others still have significant access to right-brain reality and their ranks are growing by the day as the awakening of human consciousness continues.

When I say ‘awakening’, I don’t mean that just the awareness of a conspiracy is confirmation that someone has opened the channels to the right-brain and ‘out there’. The conspiracy research arena is overwhelmingly a left-brain phenomenon. This is not a criticism, just an observation, and quite an obvious one when you look at it.

As you open the left-brain and the corpus callosum to right-brain information, awareness and perspective, it is your entire sense of self and reality that changes.

You are not the same person that you were before who has simply realised that a global conspiracy is going on. You are nothing like the person you were before. The game has changed, and the values and perspective of self and life are transformed.

In Avatar, the human (Reptilian) invaders are ousted from Pandora in a massive battle. It is an action-movie, so I guess they feel it necessary to have a technological and biological punch-up as the humans employ their advanced weaponry against the Na’vi’s knowledge of their environment and their connection with the animals that stampede in their support and the dragon-like creatures on which they fly.

But we don’t need violence to set us free. We need to open the right-side of the brain and reconnect with our true and infinite potential. Everything else comes from that. The manipulators have not worked so hard to close down that connection because it is a bit of fun.

They have done so because it is absolutely crucial – prime – to their ability to control. They are terrified that we will wake up and access that fantastic potential.

Put another way, left-brain or right? Or, even better, a balance of both

People who have experienced damage to the left brain have suddenly manifested extraordinary, or what we would call ’super-human’ abilities, as the potential of the right brain is unlocked.

But they are not ’super-human’; they are ‘natural human’ who have been able to break the ‘firewalls’ imposed upon ’suppressed human’. Incredible feats of mathematics, memory and other ‘miraculous’ skills are performed by even young children once damage has reduced the limiting-influence of the left-brain.

Many of them are known as ’savants’, children who have an amazing skill or skills while also having developmental problems, ‘mental retardation’, brain injury or disease. Around half of these so-called ’savants’ have autism.

They are accessing brain potentials that are dormant in the vast majority because of the Reptilian manipulation, and, therefore, they not only have incredible abilities, but often find it hard to function within left-brain society.

It seems to me that part of the problem is that when the right brain really opens, the left-brain can have its reality-circuits busted and can’t cope with that level of perception and energy.

Stephen Wiltshire, an ‘autistic savant’ in the UK, is a wonderful example of their extraordinary ‘gifts’. He was taken on a helicopter ride over London at the age of twelve for a BBC documentary in 1987 and was allowed to take no notes or photographs, not that he wanted to, or needed to.

He then proceeded to produce an amazingly accurate drawing of the city, as it looks from the air, and included more than 200 buildings – some of which had hundreds of windows accurately portrayed even though he didn’t have the ability to count because of his autism.

Stephen Wiltshire today

It was all done purely from memory and he later did the same in Rome. You can see Stephen’s work at www.stephenwiltshire.co.uk.

Daniel Tammet, another British ‘autistic savant’, can do mathematical calculations at computer-like speeds and can speak seven languages (at the last count). He learned Icelandic in a week and his language teacher described him as a ‘genius’ and ‘not human’.Oh, but he is very human – the human the Reptilians and their bloodlines are desperately trying to suppress, because they know that their game is up once we access even a fraction of who we really are.

That moment is getting closer ever day.

Written by David Icke

Much Love,

The Collective Evolution Team

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2010/02/21/david-icke-avatar-movie-a-story-of-earth-in-reverse/

Thanks Berry.  David Icke is, as you say, very insightful.  Although I confess I haven't actually read any of his books, what I have seen and heard of him on the Internet convinces me that he has an understanding of much of what's going on in our world and of the nature of awakened mind.  What gives me pause about him, and many other people apparently feel the same way, is his insistence on Reptilian alien intervention aeons ago and the essentially Reptilian bloodline of the Illuminati today.  Icke's added detail that these beings love to drink human blood... well... sorry, but the red flag goes up.  This puts me in B-movie land.

Now, I don't know if this is true or not, and I will submit that none of us do (except those who may somehow have some exceptional direct knowledge of some kind).  We can't look out at the world as it is and say, "Aha, that (whatever pheonomenon) can be explained only by Reptilian intervention," or "Those elite people have idenfiable Reptilian physical features that are different from everyone else's."  All we "know" about this is what we choose to believe.  And I'm no exception.  However, there are some facts and factors that I want to offer to support my, as of this point in time, disbelief in Icke's Reptilian hypothesis, and that I offer as good reason to consider this hypothesis critically.

Already mentioned: Where is the physical/genetic evidence?  If anyone can cite the science that supports this, please do.

I know that Zecharia Sitchin, having translated Sumerian writings, says that they (the Sumerians) wrote about the Annunaki, whom they allegedly identified as Reptilian aliens.  Since I can't read Sumerian, I can't know what they actually said.  There are other scholars who say that Sitchin took great liberties interpreting the Sumerian text, and that these errors can be verified by anyone who cares to look at the now generally available lexicon of Sumerian characters.  I will not do this because I simply don't want to devote the necessay time and energy.  It's not that important to me.

Did David Icke get this information from the voices that he says speak to him?  (I would probably know this if I were more familiar with the details of his biography.)  And what about other people who channel or otherwise get information psychically, who present this same Reptilian story as fact?  As a very good psychic friend of mine pointed out, many people have read or otherwise know Sitchin's ideas, and so one never knows if a channel or psychic is tapping some other source, or their own subconscious knowledge of Sitchin -- or of anything else.  And if it is some other source, can it be trusted?  Who can say?  There are all maner of disembodied sources out there.  (My opinion:  I think we tend to afford what channels/psychics say too much credibility -- without looking critically enough at what they say.  Even David Wilcock attests to fallibility in this area.  Remember the predictions of the enormous ET craft that would sail over the southern states and be visible by everyone last year by...[I forget the name of the channel, sorry].  It never happened, and she, the channel, who had been absolutely certain, was devastated.)

The technology apparently exists to put voices , scenes, experiences, ideas -- whatever -- into people's minds (including scenarios of detailed abductions).  (Stephen Greer writes that some of his witnesses have testified to the existence of this technology.)  Could this have been done to Icke in order to discredit in people's minds all of the other right-on things that he was going public with, and by association what the other scholars of the New World Order pheomenon were going public with?  Or could he have been brainwashed in some other way?  I would have to say that this is possible.  Of course, I have no direct evidence and so I don't say that this is so.  But I will hold this as a possibility, just as I will hold that Icke's hypothesis is true as a possibility.  There is no direct evidence to support either, that I know of.

Lastly, Stephen Greer's writings and lectures about his and his CSETI group's contact with ET's do not support the sociopathic-Reptilian scenario.  That is, their contacts with ET's have been entirely benign and usually of a very high order.  (My gut feeling about Greer is that his tells the truth.) He says that the UFO community in general has been infected with heavy disinformation, whose purpose is to foster fear of ET races, especially those who don't look like us because of their having followed some other-than-mammalian evolutionary route.  And blood-drinking Reptilians would fill the bill wonderfully well.  Add to this the news that the Annunaki -- the original Reptilians -- are going to return to Earth once more, and you have a ready-made alien enemy that we can all rally against under the New World Order.

Well I don't mean to be too heavy about this.  I just have serious doubts.  Again, I don't know anything about this business myself, but both my head and my gut say to look critically at the Reptilian hypothesis.

How synchronistic that this topic would resurface to the top.  I wasn’t a member when this conversation went on and I didn’t dig back far enough in my initial exploration when I did become a member to see this. 

I just saw Avatar this past weekend – on the 20th.   I would join in on the exclamations of WOW – what a great movie!   And on so many levels. 

I really hate going to a movie theater and haven’t been in many years, but a couple of things made me go and see this one.  One was all the talk about it and the references I heard about the spiritual aspects.  (The trailer left me feeling like it was just another war movie.)  The next draw was the new experience of viewing a 3-D movie on such a large screen.  (Just can’t get that at home).   And the other “push” was from somewhere I can’t describe – but it was large enough to override my fear/dislike of movie theaters.

I must say that I agree with ffg’s statement that read:

“This network along with linking to the trees provided imagery for the imprinting of the newly awakened... now they have a visual as to how we are interconnected and as they expand in awareness they will have a model in which to work from.”    Yes – what an great seed to plant -  A visual for the unseen!

Just previous to seeing the movie I had read the topic posted under “A Scary Scenario & An Intelligent, Compassionate Response” in which Chris was talking about coherence.  While I was watching the movie, there were times during highly emotional scenes that I became aware of this group that I was a part of, coherent in our emotional states, and was surprised at how this felt.  It felt to me that the emotions I would normally have felt during such scenes were amplified and intensified by the coherence of the group.  Perhaps coherence is what makes great movies even better. 

I just had to add my two cents and entangle a couple of threads in this forum!  lol  !!

With Love,

  Mary

Bob,

When I am reading David Icke's material and he mentions reptilians, I tend to zone out on that aspect of what he is saying.  I am not yet convinced that there is any strong reptilian influence in our present world. But that aside, what David presents is otherwise very well documented with available materials or from those insiders with whom he has high regard.  As far as Sitchen is concerned, I tend to give him some credibility regarding the Annunaki.  There is just too much evidence at hand, from the legends and mythologies of the Middle-East and Africa, and those of India as well which conform with his theories. Also, in the Sumerian and Babylonian freizes there are numerous depictions of Annunaki who were twice the height of the humans and who were often represented with reptilian heads and features.

I don't recall what you are mentioning about drinking blood. I have to chuckle about that anyway because some earlier cultures in the world used to say the same thing about Christians. Hmmm!

Going on the basis that Sitchins material is at least partially accurate, and which is affirmed in other sources, that the original human stock was genetically manipulated by the Annunaki, in order to increase the intellegence and strength of those originals, (by incorporating Annunaki genetic material) then there was at that early point some reptilian DNA inermixed with the human genes.  If I have read what David has said in other texts, some of the early mixed humans somehow managed to preserve as much of the original human/reptilian mix as possible and that blood line is the line which is considered to be that which the Illuminati lay claim. Thus, having according so some, including David, a more reptilian genetic make up.

David does not channel any sources. He has, as far as I know, never claimed to be a channel or a psychic. He is definitely very intuitive in his research though.  He is probably one of the most informed persons regarding the Global Elite who is making his information available. If I may suggest one book which he has written that everyone should read, it is "the truth shall set you free". Just like that, no caps. This book will open your eyes to what the true history of mankind actually is and what is making the world tick the way it does now.

Thanks again, Berry. 

Well, as I said, I just don't know.  In this amazing world I suppose anything is possible.  Just a few years ago I wouldn't have believed it possible to combine genetic material across species lines, and now I think they've done it across "kingdom" lines (animal/vegetable)!

If anyone is interested in reading a rebuttal of much of what Sitchin says on the basis of ancient Sumerian, Hebrew, and Aramaic symbols and grammar, here's an article by a Michael S. Heiser, Ph.D., who's apparently an expert in this area: http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/sitchinerrors.htm

Although I don't think Sitchin identified the Annunaki as Reptilians, if he's wrong about the rest of it, then Icke is wrong, too.  If... but who can really say?  History will reveal itself eventually.  In the meantime, let the show go on...  Popcorn, anyone?

And thanks for the recommedation of "the truth shall set you free."  I may take a look at it.