James of WingMakers on the Ascension Agenda

Beloved Transformation Team friends,

The great folks at Project Camelot recently did a fascinating written interview with James, the man who claims to have written the WingMakers materials. I was amazed -- stunned even -- at how different the energy is behind the comments of James in this interview. Where in the past I sensed a lot of subtle and overt hierarchical agenda, I felt very little of that in these often profound words.

James himself comments in Answer 18 of the interview, "you may be wondering why my answers are so direct and come from a different gemoetry than my previous works." I highly suspect some big changes are happening with James and his group, as new energies are coming in. I have very good reason to believe that other deeply spiritual people were involved in writing the responses given.

I was particularly impressed with the answer given in this thought-provoking interview to the ascension question, which I'm posting below. I'll give the link for the entire 30-page interview below this section. I welcome your thoughts on this intriguing topic. Enjoy the read!

Question 7 from Project Camelot:

Please address the subject of Ascension from your point of view (or that of those you are speaking for).  What exactly is Ascension?  How would you recommend that people view it and accommodate it in their spiritual awareness?

Answer 7 from James: To understand ascension it is necessary to understand its origins. The concept of ascension arose out of division and disconnection. Religion conceived that Source or God was outside the Self, living in some remote dimension of space, fully separated from the human condition. Human beings were not really worthy of God, but religion, in its self-enlightened state, gave humans the concept of faith. By having faith, God will come down and save you from the human condition, provided, of course, that you have faith and apply His commandments.

Ascension came along, not so much from religion, but rather spiritual-mystic sources, and posited that humans did not need to be passive in the application of faith, but rather they could ascend to the Source. In other words, instead of waiting for God to come to you, you could go to God. Humans, under the proper tutelage of masters could learn how to ascend and attain the Godhood, and become a master of their own, serving God and His universe as an emissary of the Light.

Religion and spirituality really had the same idea, the only difference was that religion used passive faith while spirituality used active practices. The First Point of ascension is the yearning for a Source outside the Self, hence division and disconnection. Any First Point that begins in separation is pulled into the Human Mind System’s gravitational field and is lost in the deceptions therein.

Thus, ascension is not an aspect of the Sovereign Integral state. As written in my previous answer, you are here and always have been and always will be. There is no where to go outside of yourself to find yourself or God or Light or enlightenment or ascension. Look at it this way, if you are self-contained, if the Sovereign Integral is indeed within you at all times, then where exactly do you need to ascend? It is realization, not ascension. And realization has, as its First Point, the unconditional oneness, equality and truthfulness of Self in all life expressions. While ascension’s First Point is: I am not equal to my Source, my Source is outside of me therefore I need to ascend to it in order to become a greater being more worthy of love and light.

Ascension is of the teacher-student ordering of the universe, residing within HMS. It defines the subtle aspects of self-deception that are caught-up in the spiritual belief systems of Earth and the interdimensional planes as well. If you believe you are in the process of ascending, ask yourself the questions: Where I am ascending to? How do I know that that endpoint is not of the Human Mind System [HMS]? Are my mental pictures of ascension based on my own experience or have they been downloaded from the information and knowledge systems of humanity – in the other words, the unconscious domain?

All of the energy, efforts, attention and learning that are placed on the ascension process are a diversion from your own realization of the Sovereign Integral. It is as if you have pursued a shadow in favor of the substance. The ascension pathway is ensconced in the comforts of gurus and masters – both physical and interdimensional – that supposedly support your journey into the Light and Love of God. Along this journey you see how it absolves you of responsibility related to this world’s real conditions of hunger, inequality, rape, war, abuse, servitude, illness, racism and a hundred other maladies. The absolution comes in the form of your journey itself. The diversion. The separation.

Realization of the Sovereign Integral consciousness is realization of one’s True Self as present in everyone else. You see the condition of the human family as your own, and your condition as one with everyone else. You are in the moment, engaged in the dismantling of the HMS, knowing that as you do this, you are invoking the Sovereign Integral consciousness to manifest on Earth in a human instrument where there is complete and unconditional transparency and therefore expansion.

Fred here again. If you would like to read the entire interview, you can find it at http://projectcamelot.org/james_wingmakers_sovereign_integral.html. I've long had the understanding that if I'm yearning for some place better than I am right now, I still don't get it. It's about seeing the beauty and ultimate perfection of everything happening in my life right here, right now, in this eternal sacred moment. I very much welcome your thoughts on this. You take care.

With abundant love and warm wishes,

ChrisBowers's picture

As I read this and recognize so much that is covered so well in the Law of One material by Ra, I am still a bit perplexed that Bill Ryan has trouble with the Law of One message when it involves UFO's and fully supports every aspect of James' evolved Wingmakers message.  That, of course, is neither here nor there.  The message is right on and also reminds me of still one of the most (if not the most) profound passages I have ever read (from ACIM),

Nothing real can be threatened...

Nothing unreal exists....

Herein lies the peace of God...

As I learn to surrender all of the unreal thoughts and things I have freely embraced, I shall quite naturally wake from my dream and Be where I have never really left - I will simply return to Being fully aware of where and what I already Am.  The term Ascension is one of those useful illusion/symbols that Helen spoke of in a course in miracles when she said,

"trading bad illusions for good ones, and then finally, good ones for none at all"

Thanks Fred for posting the Heart and Soul of the WingMakers' message....

Love/Light, Chris

oh, the other thing that immediately caught my eye and made me wonder if "James" has been reading Law of One is the term found in this passage above,

"Ascension is of the teacher-student ordering of the universe"

the order of teacher/student student/teacher love/light light/love is strongly emphasized repeatedly in certain locations of the Law of One material....

Berry's picture

Thank you Fred,

This is indeed a different tack than James was taking before. I resonate to the fact that what he said in the excerpt you have posted, he is fully in accordance with what Chris, I and some others have been studying in the Ra Material. Chris said previously that that Wingmaker material was harmonious with the Law of One.  I will be interested in reading the new interview which you have linked in this thread.


With Light and Love brightening the dark side,


Whooops. Chris and I hopped on it at the same time.  Good synchronicity Chris. LOL   I agree with you Chris that it does sound as if he has become familiar with the LoO and is adopting some of the phrasiology and ideology from it. I hope so. Good call.


Bodhi's picture

"Nothing real can be threatened...

Nothing unreal exists....

Herein lies the peace of God..."

Ahhhh Bro, thank you so very much for the reminder...  I needed that!!!
Much love and gratitude,

lefty-dave's picture


Greetings James

  Thank you for your answers....

as you indicate that you are the creator of  the WingMaker Saga,

 that these are  your ideas, that you concieved this story, these philosophies, these artforms of pictures, poems,  music

and the crystal technologies...

I ask you please to share more of your philosophies and knowledge about crystals with us now.

It has been years since there was an addition of the WingMaker material, and, though your other creations, Lyricus , etc, are very informative, many of us long for more of the philosophies, and to know more about how to program crystals.








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ChrisBowers's picture

So good/refreshing to see your calm and soothing Tree Face!!!

It always reminds me of the enchanting presence of the forest, especially the old ones where certain trees have been around for so long that they have actually become Conscious 3rd density Beings quite aware of their history and nurturing interaction with other sentient life forms....

Self Awareness without a central nervous system - that should shake up the scientific community!!!

Love/Light, Chris

Berry's picture

When did Bodhi become an Ent?

lefty-dave's picture


Greetings fairyfarmgirl

  Thanks for your insight on crystals...and the tips on how to use them....

In the original WingMaker saga, available at the turn of the century, the WingMaker site had pictures of the "artifacts" that had been found at the AA site....they all appeared to be crystals of different shapes and sizes....

don't know if they can still be found out there in the ether...

but it always intrigued me, as I had read, years before,  in the Edgar Cayce journals that crystals had played a major role in the Atlantean culture, used for communication, healing, information storage, etc., and the misuse of same led to their destruction...

Don't reckon James reads these posts, but you never know who knows who around here....someone might forward my plea for MORE INPUT...heaven knows I've asked him directly at the WingMaker site for many years if he would share more philosophies, etc....but have never received an answer...

We'll keep on trying though....because of all the esoteric/exoteric reading I've done since becoming an initiate, nothing has had a more profound effect on me than the four philosophies given in the initial WingMaker saga.

Hope you'll read them...but I warn you, read them one sentence at a time....and contemplate what you just read....because whoever wrote them was (is) a higher entity with greater insights than most can comprehend.





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