Those things must really like to disappear huh? Does anyone have any information or thoughts on the Malaysia boeing 777 carrying 239 people that went missing?

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Oil slick hints missing Malaysian jet may have crashed at sea

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Relatives of passengers aboard the missing Malaysia Airlines flight grieve at Beijing International Airpor

A 12-mile-long oil slick spotted between Malaysia and Vietnam on Saturday afternoon is thought to be the first sign that a missing Malaysia Airlines flight with 239 people aboard went down in the waters between southernmost Vietnam and northern Malaysia, according to Vietnam's director of civil aviation.

"An AN26 aircraft of the Vietnam Navy has discovered an oil slick about 20 kilometers in the search area, which is suspected of being a crashed Boeing aircraft," Lai Xuan Thanh, the director of the Civil Aviation Administration of Vietnam said. "We have announced that information to Singapore and Malaysia and we continue the search."

Mr. Thanh said the oil on the surface of the water was somewhat closer to Vietnam than Malaysia, at the mouth of the shallow Gulf of Thailand. The last coordinates automatically transmitted by the aircraft were from on the Malaysian side near the midpoint between the two countries, when the plane appeared to be in stable flight at 35,000 feet.

The discovery came as Vietnam, Malaysia, China, Singapore and the Philippines staged an intensive search for the missing aircraft, a redeye flight that vanished after taking off from Kuala Lumpur early Saturday morning, bound for Beijing, where it was to arrive at 6:30 a.m.

Fredrik Lindahl, the chief executive of Flightradar24, an online aircraft tracking service, said that the missing plane, a Boeing 777-200, had been equipped with a transponder that regularly transmitted its position, as calculated by GPS. The last recorded position of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 was 150 kilometers, or 93 miles, northeast of Kuala Terengganu, a port on the northeast coast of peninsular Malaysia, he wrote in an email.

That position is a little less than halfway across the entrance of the Gulf of Thailand from northern Malaysia toward southernmost Vietnam.

Ahmad Jauhari Yahya, the chief executive of Malaysia Airlines, noted in a statement that there had been speculation that the plane might have landed safely somewhere along the route to Beijing, and said that the airline was checking on this. But in a telephone interview before reporting the sighting of the slick, Mr. Lai expressed concern about the aircraft's fate even while saying that his country was committed to the rescue effort.

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"Vietnam has ordered airplanes and military ships for the work, " he said, adding, ""the possibility of an accident is high."

Lt. Col. Pham Hong Soi, the head of the propaganda department of the Vietnam Navy for the region near the crash site, said that one rescue vessel had already been ordered to sea and two more had been made ready for departure.

Malaysia's prime minister, Najib Razak, said in a statement that 15 aircraft and nine ships were searching for the missing plane. Without saying where his government suspected that the plane might have disappeared, he added, "Our priority now is to widen the search area and provide support to relatives of those missing."

The United States Seventh Fleet said in a Twitter message that it was sending a destroyer, the Pinckney, and a P-3C maritime surveillance aircraft to join the search for Flight MH370.

In addition, the Chinese State Oceanic Administration said it had sent a coast guard ship to the area where the plane may have gone down. "It is traveling at full speed to the waters, and is expected to reach there on the afternoon of the 9th," said a statement on the administration's website.

China Central Television said that according to Chinese air traffic control officials, the aircraft never entered Chinese airspace.

Malaysia Airlines said thatthe plane had 227 passengers aboard, including two infants, and an all-Malaysian crew of 12. The passengers included 154 citizens from China or Taiwan, 38 Malaysians, seven Indonesians, six Australians, five Indians, four French and three Americans, as well as two citizens each from New Zealand, Ukraine and Canada and one each from Russia, Italy, the Netherlands and Austria.

The airline said that it was notifying the next of kin of the passengers and crew that the plane was missing. Hundreds of family members gathered in rooms set aside for them at a Beijing hotel.

Boeing said in a statement that it was assembling a team of technical experts to advise the national authorities investigating the disappearance of the aircraft.

One uncertainty about the flight involved when it disappeared from radar and how quickly the search began in the Gulf of Thailand. Malaysia Airlines said that the plane took off at 12:41 a.m. Malaysia time, and that the plane disappeared from air traffic control radar in Subang, a suburb of Kuala Lumpur, at 2:40 a.m.

That timeline seemed to suggest that the plane stayed in the air for two hours - long enough to fly not only across the Gulf of Thailand but also far north across Vietnam. But Mr. Lindahl of Flightradar 24 said that the last radar contact had been at 1:19 a.m., less than 40 minutes after the flight began.

A Malaysia Airlines spokesman said on Saturday evening that the last conversation between the flight crew and air traffic control in Malaysia had been around 1:30 a.m., but he reiterated that the plane had not disappeared from air traffic control systems in Subang until 2:40 a.m.

Arnold Barnett, a longtime Massachusetts Institute of Technology specialist in aviation safety statistics, said that before the disappearance of the plane, Malaysia Airlines had suffered two fatal crashes, in 1977 and 1995. Based on his estimate that Malaysia Airlines operates roughly 120,000 flights a year, he calculated that the airline's safety record was consistent with other fairly prosperous, middle-income countries but had not yet reached the better safety record of airlines based in the world's richest countries.

Malaysia, near the Equator, is a popular winter vacation destination for affluent residents of chilly, smoggy Beijing.

The list of Chinese passengers onboard the missing flight included names of artists who attended a meeting in Kuala Lumpur, said the Beijing News newspaper. Other reports said the missing included members of a returning delegation of Buddhists.

If the plane is confirmed to have crashed into the sea, the disaster would add to a difficult week for China and its government. Last Saturday, a group of assailants used knives and daggers to kill 29 people and injure over 140 at a train station in Kunming, a city in southwest China.

China's growing wealth has brought a steep rise in the number of its citizens traveling overseas, especially throughout Asia, and the government has sometimes faced allegations, especially from Internet users, that officials failed to adequately help victims of emergencies abroad and their families. This time, President Xi Jinping of China and other senior officials swiftly issued statements to show they were closely following developments.

Mr. Xi and China's prime minister, Li Keqiang, ordered "all-out efforts" to search for the aircraft and prepare to help those who were aboard and their families.


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are the stolen passports weird to you??

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about stolen passports.

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No sign of Malaysia Airline wreckage; questions over stolen passports

By Chelsea J. Carter and Jim Clancy, CNN
updated 11:43 PM EST, Sat March 8, 2014

Traces of oil may be clue in plane search

  • "We have not been able to locate anything," an airline official says
  • U.S. law enforcement sources say both passports were stolen in Thailand
  • One of the two stolen passports is listed in Interpol's database, sources say
  • Vietnamese searchers spot oil slicks in the South China Sea

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (CNN) -- There were few answers Sunday about the fate of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, a day after contact was lost with the commercial jetliner en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

An aerial search resumed at first light, with aircraft searching an area of the South China Sea for any sign of where the flight may have gone down, Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, the director general of civil aviation in Malaysia, told reporters

"We have not been able to locate anything, see anything," Rahman said. "There's nothing new to report."

The closest things to clues in the search for the missing jetliner are oil slicks in the Gulf of Thailand, about 90 miles south of Vietnam's Tho Chu Island -- the same area where the flight disappeared from radar early Saturday morning. A Vietnamese reconnaissance plane, part of a massive, multinational search effort, spotted the oil slicks that stretch between six and nine miles, the Vietnam government's official news agency reported.

Malaysian authorities have not yet confirmed the Vietnamese report, Rahman said.

The reported oil discovery has only added to a growing list of questions about the fate of the plane carrying 227 passengers and 12 crew members: What happened to the plane, why was no distress signal issued, and who exactly was aboard?

Passenger manifest questioned

Bits and pieces of information have begun to form, but it remains unclear how they fit into the bigger picture, if at all.

Traces of oil may be clue in search Quest: I flew with missing first officer

Quest: Odd to lose contact while cruising

For instance, after the airline released a manifest, Austria denied that one of its citizens was aboard the flight. The Austrian citizen was safe and sound, and his passport had been stolen two years ago, Austrian Foreign Ministry spokesman Martin Weiss said.

Similarly, Italy's foreign ministry confirmed none of its citizens were on Flight 370, even though an Italian was listed on the manifest.

On Saturday, Italian police visited the home of the parents of Luigi Maraldi, the man whose name appeared on the manifest, to inform them about the missing flight, said a police official in Cesena, in northern Italy.

Maraldi's father, Walter, told police he had just spoken to his son, who was fine and not on the missing flight, said the official, who is not authsorized to speak to the media. Maraldi was vacationing in Thailand, his father said.

The police official said Maraldi had reported his passport stolen in Malaysia last August and had obtained a new one. But U.S. law enforcement sources told CNN that both the Austrian and Italian passports were stolen in Thailand.

"No nexus to terrorism yet," a U.S. intelligence official said, "although that's by no means definitive. We're still tracking."

Malaysian authorities have been in contact with counterterrorism organizations about possible passport issues, Malaysia's transportation minister Hishamuddin Hussein said. He did not state how many passport issues there are, saying authorities are looking at the whole manifest.

The U.S. government has been briefed on the stolen passports and reviewed the names of the passengers in question but found nothing at this point to indicate foul play, said a U.S. law enforcement official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Of the two passports in question, the Italian one had been reported stolen and was in Interpol's database, CNN Law Enforcement Analyst Tom Fuentes said, citing sources at Interpol.

Additionally, no inquiry was made by Malaysia Airlines to determine if any passengers on the flight were traveling on stolen passports, he said. Many airlines do not check the database, he said.

During the news conference in Kuala Lumpur, Rahman declined to say whether the airline or Malaysian authorities had checked the database.

Not ruling anything out

Malaysian authorities reiterated during a news conference that they are not ruling anything out regarding the missing aircraft.

The Boeing 777-200ER departed Kuala Lumpur International Airport at 12:41 a.m. Saturday in good weather, and it was expected to land in Beijing at 6:30 a.m., a 2,300-mile (3,700-kilometer) trip.

Air traffic controllers in Subang, outside Kuala Lumpur, lost contact with the plane about 1:30 a.m., Rahman said. Earlier, the airline said the jetliner lost contact at 2:40 a.m.

The pilots did not indicate to the tower there may be a problem, and no distress signal was issued, the airline said.

It may be days, possibly weeks or months, before authorities can offer any firm answers.

It took five days for authorities to locate the wreckage of Air France Flight 447 when it crashed June 1, 2009, in the Atlantic Ocean, killing all 228 on board.

It took four searches over the course of nearly two years to locate the bulk of Flight 447's wreckage and the majority of the bodies in a mountain range deep under the ocean.

If Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 went down in the Gulf of Thailand, the recovery may be a bit easier because it is a relatively shallow area of the South China Sea, according to marine officials.

Hussein, who in addition to being Malaysia's acting transportation minister is also its defense minister, said that the search area has been expanded because of the possibility the plane had turned back.

China, Vietnam, Singapore and Malaysia were conducting search and rescue operations south of Tho Chu island in the South China Sea, according to the airline and reports from Xinhua, China's official news agency. Ships, helicopters and airplanes are being utilized.

The USS Pinckney, a destroyer conducting training in the South China Sea, is being routed to the southern Vietnamese coast to aid in the search, the U.S. Navy said. The United States is also sending a P-3C Orion surveillance plane from Japan to provide long-range search, radar and communications capabilities, the Navy said.

Meanwhile, the Chinese Coast Guard has ordered on-duty vessels to aid in the search, Xinhua reported, citing government officials. China also sent a diving and salvage team to the area where the airplane is suspected to have gone down, the news agency reported.

Because of the Americans aboard the flight, the FBI has offered to send a team of agents to Malaysia to support the investigation into the disappearance if asked, a U.S. official familiar with the issue told CNN on condition of anonymity. Earlier, an official had said FBI agents were heading to the area.

The FBI is not ruling out terrorism or any other issue as a possible cause in the jetliner's disappearance, the official said.

Officials appeared resigned to accepting the worst outcome.

"I'd just like to say our thoughts and prayers are with the bereaved families," Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said during a news conference.

Grief, especially in China

The plane carried 227 passengers, including five children under 5 years old, and 12 crew members, the airline said. At the time of its disappearance, the Malaysia Airlines plane was carrying about 7.5 hours of fuel, an airline official said.

Among the passengers there were 154 people from China or Taiwan; 38 Malaysians, and three U.S. citizens.

Relatives of the Chinese citizens on board gathered Saturday at a hotel complex in the Lido district of Beijing as a large crowd of reporters gathered outside.

"My son was only 40 years old," one woman wailed as she was led inside. "My son, my son. What am I going to do?"

Family members were kept in a hotel conference room, where media outlets had no access. Most of the family members have so far refused to talk to reporters. The airline said the public can call 603 7884 1234 for further information.

In Malaysia, the families and loved ones of those aboard the flight were gathered at the Everly Hotel in Putrajaya, south of Kuala Lumpur, according to Bernama, the Malaysian national news agency.

Twenty of the passengers aboard the flight work with Freescale Semiconductor, a company based in Austin, Texas. The company said that 12 of the employees are from Malaysia and eight are from China.

The airline's website said the flight was piloted by a veteran.

Capt. Zaharie Ahmad Shah, a 53-year-old Malaysian, has 18,365 total flying hours and joined Malaysia Airlines in 1981, the website said. The first officer is Fariq Ab Hamid, 27, a Malaysian with a total of 2,763 flying hours. He joined Malaysia Airlines in 2007.

Still an 'urgent need' to find plane

"The lack of communications suggests to me that something most unfortunate has happened," said Mary Schiavo, former inspector general of the U.S. Department of Transportation, in an interview with CNN International.

"But that, of course, does not mean that there are not many persons that need to be rescued and secured. There's still a very urgent need to find that plane and to render aid," she said.

Malaysia Airlines operates in Southeast Asia, East Asia, South Asia, the Middle East and on the route between Europe and Australasia.

It has 15 Boeing 777-200ER planes in its fleet, CNN's Richard Quest reported. The missing airplane was delivered to Malaysia Airlines in 2002.

Part of the company is in the private sector, but the government owns most of it.

Malayan Airways Limited began flying in 1937 as an air service between Penang and Singapore. A decade later, it began flying commercially as the national airline.

In 1963, when Malaysia was formed, the airline was renamed Malaysian Airlines Limited.

Within 20 years, it had grown from a single aircraft operator into a company with 2,400 employees and a fleet operator.

If this aircraft has crashed with a total loss, it would the deadliest aviation incident since November 2001, when an American Airlines Airbus A300 crashed in Belle Harbor, Queens, shortly after takeoff from JFK Airport. Killed were 265 people, including five people on the ground.

CNN's Jim Clancy reported from Kuala Lumpur, and Chelsea J. Carter reported and wrote from Atlanta. CNN's Andrew Stevens in Beijing, Yuli Yang in Hong Kong, Jim Sciutto in Washington, Hada Messia in Rome and Ralph Ellis, Elwyn Lopez and Pamela Brown in Atlanta contributed to this report.

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the passport shit reminds me of 9/11.

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Its said that when something happens our first thought is automatically, oh no, FALSE FLAG! some people make fun of this, but has gotten to the point that major events are more likely to be false flags then not. Since Sandy Hook and Aurora I have questioned most major events, and each time I become more and more convinced that these events are being orchastrated in order to take our freedom.

I was ridiculed by fellow conspiracy theorist on facebook after the Boston Bombing because I called it for the false flag that it was. Family guy had aired an episode Turban Cowboy just 3 weeks prior to boston marthon (i have blocks on this computer but if someone can find and post the FULL episode that would be great) first peter goes on a rampage and runs everyone over in order to win the BOSTON MARATHON, then he detonates TWO bombs after becoming a sleeper agent for a muslim terrorist, he also blows up model of San Fransico Bridge, and then there is an erry pause and he says "Saudi toys they like to play" that was never explain. There is much more to the boston bombing, like how the first bomb went off at 666 Boslyn or how the Craft was all over the site prior to the bombing. The way they handled the situation and raided/locked down Watertown showed it was an obvious dry run for martial law. Or how the FBI had been surviellancing the brothers for years and the older brother claimed he believed was under government mind control to his friends. Or how the FBI shot the unarmed man in Florida with connections to the brothers and then the leading FBI investagators on the case began dieing and FALLING out of planes. 

Then there was the DC Naval Base shooting and the guys gun read "This is my ELF weapon." The unarmed woman in DC who was shot down in front of her one year old had been claiming that Obama was sending her microwave messages in her head. I could go on and on but the ones who would want to hear it probably already know and the others probably do not care. But regardless, yes it is VERY hard NOT to be suspicious of things like this!

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Now, when I hear of a plane going down or some other freak accident occurring, the first thing that comes to mind is foul play. I hope it's proven otherwise. 

But with all things in the news these days, it's incumbant upon us to question the official story.








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Videos: UFO, Strange Anomalies Show in Missing Plane Radar

Posted by Stephen Cook

Stephen: The mystery of the missing flight continues – and is possibly even increased – by both these videos of the actual radar at the time. First tip thanks to Alice. Rumours are now circulating, even in the mainstream media, that many relatives were able to call the mobile phones of their loved ones and ‘connect’ before the call was abruptly cut off.

From Alexandra Bruce, Forbidden Knowledge TV, via email and YouTube user DAHBOO7

Alexandra writes: “Seeing the radar playback of the moments leading up to the plane’s disappearance, one may forgive Malaysia Airlines for not being more forthcoming, in this case – because the radar playback is not only baffling, it shows two distinct anomalies, as pointed out by intrepid citizen-reporter and YouTube popstar, DAHBOO7.

“The radar playback depicts dozens of planes in flight over the region at the time. The first peculiarity is seen in the lower left of the screen. A round object appears in the vicinity of Flight 370 (and amid several others), which the radar does not automatically “read” as airplane.

Click here to view the embedded video.

“Suddenly, this round object takes the form of a “plane” on the radar screen and it accelerates at a rate of speed that must be at least five times the speed of the surrounding planes, heading eastward, over the South China Sea. Then, just as suddenly – the object stops and appears to hover in place.

“During this same time, there is some evidence that shortly after crossing the Malaysian Peninsula, Flight 370 was in trouble. The radar shows that the plane took three sharp turns: right, left, right at an altitude of 35,000 feet and at a speed of 473 knots – just before the radar readings instantly go from 35,000 feet to 0, with the plane still traveling at that speed for a few moments more, at 0 feet altitude before it vanishes from the screen. As of this writing, this plane remains missing, even though the sea is relatively shallow where it disappeared.

“As for the other object described here, it disappears, as well. There have been no reports about this object – or plane, or what have you; whether it was a commercial airliner, like the many others in flight over the region during the final moments preceding the disappearance of Flight 370 – but the object in question certainly didn’t behave like a commercial airliner.

“Regardless of whether this mystery object had anything to do with the demise of Flight 370 – what IS evident is that the radar readings shown in this clip captured signals from what for now, can only be termed a UFO.”

Stephen: For verification, I’ve also included this second video of the radar for that same period of time by another YouTube user, Ridzuan Maidi.

I note that just as the Malaysian Airlines flight appears to disappear from the radar screen, two , yes 2, other planes to the right and below the missing plane – one of which is the very fast moving plane that DAHBOO7 notes that has by then stalled – - also disappear off the screen at the exact same time.

There is definitely something ‘other worldly’ going on here…

Click here to view the embedded video.

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     But where did this come from? It's not radar,,,,it is a gps, that's why it is so hard to tell what's happening. No doubt that other "plane" was moving way faster than possible, but my gps does the same thing when my service is erratic. Then again, all the planes should have done that at the same time, if that were the case. It sure would be nice to see the actual radars that were tracking the air traffic. Definitely some kind of foul play involved, but it seems that it would more likely be a take down than some kind of abduction, that is,,,if the stories about the passports are true. ??????????????????

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WOW....creepy stuff!!! thanks for keeping us updated lightwins, i had no clue about this. What are your thoughts??

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On google maps you can do street view and zoom in until you seeing people walking down the street. The NSA is close to having the capabilitY to spy on everyone in the world. How do the expect us to believe a plane can disappear in mid air and no one can find it?

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Now we know the plane flew on for hours. My friend, the psychic has had several dreams or visions in the last several years of disasters as they happened. She says she's had three consecutive nights of dreams about the plane. It began with her seeing through the eyes of a woman on board seeing a terrible explosion (the end?)then another dream about the plane on an island and men firing AK47's and a lot of dead people-but they were killing the men and children-people who were a threat or a burden and leaving the women. She saw they were hiding the plane under camo on a flat island with lots of trees. They have a plan and it is on track-they are happy so far. She felt they wanted to mimic 9/11.

Anyways-we'll see. Sometimes she's right sometimes not so much.

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I forgot to mention-she wants help trying to understand a couple of weird things-when the plane either crashes or blows up (she thinks there are explosives involved) she keeps seeing a mans body slam into a statue of Poseidon with a Trident and the trident gets broken off and there's another statue-of an American military figure in a small hat (she thought Eisenhour?). 3rd, there's a scene (at the crash?) like wine glasses hanging upside down and dark paneling. WTF? Nobody here can find any meaning or location for those. Wait-Phillipine American air force base officers club?

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Message from the One and Only

March 11, 2014


"To Be or Not to Be"


Dear friends:

An unusual and still mysterious event has occurred with an airliner which perceptually vanished over S.E. Asia. From the information that I received, The One intervened directly in order to avoid a potential tragic dangerous situation which could have badly affected our world because of what was intended. I will not go into more details as I myself have not received many. Suffice it to say that, in the message I received today, The One announces that It decided to intervene in our Creation (alike what It last had done many thousands of years ago when two large cities, Gomorrah and Sodom, were totally de-manifested around the Dead Sea region leaving no trace of their existence) to stop a serious situation and let this open intervention stand as a symbol to the way by which the Godliness will operate from now on at all levels of Creation and towards each entity or structure that foolishly challenges The Oneness intensely.

This is the real explanation. Please integrate the fact that our world will never operate anymore as it used to before, as the One if now fully and openly engaged.  We all need to align with Oneness; nothing is more important now. Please pay especially great attention to the warning addressed to all of mankind by The Godliness. Do not take this lightly, and try to realize fully the implications.

Please read the message slowly, and let it sink in. It is a message of Love, from Pure Love manifest, and see this intervention in the Light of Infinite-Love and Its Care for all of humanity and all life. 




Gerald ODonnell, 03.11.2014: As I lay down, I felt the familiar presence of the One coming and enveloping me as a cloud of solid Living Light, within and without. I totally lost the perception of having a biology, and the following words came out of my lips



This is a message from The One.

Events have occurred that have necessitated a direct intervention by levels of the Godliness who have not shown themselves upon this Creation for eons.

The One decided to show Itself directly again to each and every one of Its Creations.

The perception was that if It had not done so, Creation as a whole would have engaged a painful spiral of termination; and that could not be allowed anymore.

Therefore, orders were given to de-manifest certain elements in our Creation who could have caused great harm to it, were it not that the Godliness interfered in their projects.

The One is solemnly warning every single of Its entities that, if need be, It will cause a similar de-manifestation of their existence if they continue opposing the desire It has for all to live in peace and harmony.

No thing can continue existing without The Oneness having some level of concentration upon it; when that concentration is removed, that level ceases to be.

And this is going to be the only rule by which all of existence shall exist from now on.

Heed this word

Align with the Godliness and you shall flourish and expand beyond anything you can imagine.

Do not test the resolve of the Oneness!

Love each other and The One in which you are now basking.

Be kind to all.

Remember who you all really are, which is but The One manifest in Creation.

Stay at peace, and The One will make that Peace last and continue forever.

Bless yourselves and The One who is giving you Life.

Soon you will all understand

This is all, for now


The One and Only

From the website of Gerald O'donnell

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that I think Wendy's article above, pretty much sums up what I feel has happened.  The Iran idea is one of the first things that struck me...not Iran in particular but that it's been hijacked and is to be targeted for terrorist use in some way or other.  But we'll see how it all plays out I guess.  Breathing sacred love into peaceful outcomes that encompass the Highest Good for all on board and for the world. I'd be glad to have you join me in that! Peace Be.  kristyne

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   Sounds like the manipulators have everyone on the edge of their seat again ....... and again when are going to learn !!!     SealedEmbarassedEmbarassedMoney mouthUndecided

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I wonder how the Godliness has found it fit to sit back and watch the other threats to world peace without intervening.  Where has the Big G been while 870 million people starve every day?   Why hasn't G intervened for the people of Palestine or Syria or Afghanistan or the countless other people that are being systematically slaughtered and suppressed?

What makes this airplane the straw in the camel's back?  And why is this message from the One more of a warning/threat  than it is a promise of loving intervention?

I'm sorry, but this sounds very Old Testament to me.

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Malaysian Airliner Commandeered, Taken To Secret Island Base?

An astonishing new report via the Wall Street Journal, dovetailing with information received by Intellihub News earlier Wednesday, may shed some light on the whereabouts of the missing plane and its occupants.

Apparently the group, likely militarized, who commandeered the jetliner and it’s 239 occupants, didn’t account for the Boeing company’s automatic maintenance download which successfully transferred data from the missing aircraft to Boeing’s database about 5-hours after the triple-seven’s takeoff.

This data transfer did happen and has been confirmed by Boeing officials.

In an amazing piece of journalism, Andy Pasztor of the Wall Street Journal wrote:

The investigation remains fluid, and it isn’t clear whether investigators have evidence indicating possible terrorism or espionage. So far, U.S. national security officials have said that nothing specifically points toward terrorism, though they haven’t ruled it out.

But the huge uncertainty about where the plane was headed, and why it apparently continued flying so long without working transponders, has raised theories among investigators that the aircraft may have been commandeered for a reason that appears unclear to U.S. authorities.

Some of those theories have been laid out to national security officials and senior personnel from various U.S. agencies, according to one person familiar with the matter.

At one briefing, according to this person, officials were told investigators are actively pursuing the notion that the plane was diverted “with the intention of using it later for another purpose.”

As of Wednesday it remained unclear whether the plane reached an alternate destination or if it ultimately crashed, potentially hundreds of miles from where an international search effort has been focused.

However, Intellihub News has information leading us to believe that the aircraft turned-back toward the Sea of Andaman and may have possibly been taken to a secret military facility under communist control in the Coco Islands.

Interestingly enough, the Coco Islands were originally leased to the People’s Republic of China and likely remain under China’s control today.

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by JosephPFarrell, a possible sighting of debris by Australian authorities in the Indian Ocean will be checked out at first light in the morning Australian time.

Farrell said if this scenario happens, not to believe the "official" story - that they would pick the Indian Ocean for the cover-up story because of the depth of that body of water, very hard to check and verify the accuracy of the story.

The odd thing is, the one thing that makes at least some sense concerning motive is the most far out conspiracy theory type of scenario - that there truly is some kind of breakaway civilization operating under the radar for some time now, most likely since the early 20th century, and they are beta testing some kind of new directed energy device.

All of this has made me re-think what may have happened on 9-11, that the planes did have passengers on them, no terrorists, and the planes were hi-jacked by remote control, transponders and recording devices turned off, and the planes were simply GPS-ed into the towers.  No worries concerning human error in that simple "fail-safe" scenario.

Prior to this I had firmly thought that the planes were empty, or may have even been some form of highly evolved holographic light and sound scenario accompanied by coordinated explosions in the buildings.  Hi-jacked by remote control is a much more simple solution for the false flag event...

This missing airliner is such an interesting mystery primarily because it would not be enough bang for the buck so to speak for a false flag event, just doesn't make sense.  A beta test of some new or upgraded directed energy technology makes at least some reasonable sense...

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that's where all the missing members of the old g-spot got off to...

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    it was the actors/actresses from Lost trying to find that crafty island again !   Funny thing is,,,on the show, they found the"decoy" plane and bodies in the Indian Ocean ! So deep they weren't salvagable!

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This is what my hubby has been researching, I'm not sure what to think but it's interesting!

Malaysia Flight 370. This is my conspiracy, but it does make sense. no aliens involved lol

Four days after the missing flight MH370 a patent is approved by the Patent Office, 4 of the 5 Patent holders are Chinese employees of Freescale Semiconductor of Austin TX.

Publication # US8650327 B2
Application number: US 13/604,639

Patent is divided up on 20% increments to 5 holders.
Peidong Wang, Suzhou, China, (20%)
Zhijun Chen, Suzhou, China, (20%)
Zhihong Cheng, Suzhou, China, (20%)
Li Ying, Suzhou, China, (20%)
Freescale Semiconductor (20%)

If a patent holder dies, then the remaining holders equally share the dividends of the deceased if not disputed in a will.
If 4 of the 5 dies, then the remaining 1 Patent holder gets 100% of the wealth of the patent.

That remaining live Patent holder is Freescale Semiconductor.

Who owns Freescale Semiconductor ??

Jacob Rothschild through Blackstone who owns Freescale.

Here is your motive for the missing Beijing plane:
As all 4 Chinese members of the Patent were passengers on the missing plane.
Patent holders can alter the proceeds legally by passing wealth to their heirs. However, they cannot do so until the Patent is approved. So when the plane went missing, the patent had not been approved.
Thus, Rothschild gets 100% of Patent once Patent holders declared deceased.


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loved that crazy (and long) show, t!  j.j. abrams should make a show/movie based on peter moon's material.  he could do a better philadelphia experiment than that cheesy 80's thing.  and throw the montauk project and nazi gold and pirates and magicians in there.  good stuff.  yeah, i had some ideas for a lost spin-off...  would have been cool...

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      I recently watched the series online here in china,,,no commercials! I had seen it in chunks  back in  america on rental discs. I always loved "science fiction", and they wove it all together pretty nicely, especially during the time travel period of the series....It's funny how Chris's post about Farrell aligns with it, as is seen so often with movies, shows,etc. and events,,,you have to wonder,,with the possibilities of time travel, who had the idea first? or,,,is there a first? haha! gotta love it!,,,,,T

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That makes sense - would be interesting to know what actually happens concerning the heirs of the other 4 missing patent holders - will they sue FreeScale Semiconductor - will Blackstone throw them a bone...

Starmonkey's picture

well, all of the thoughts and such are out there swimming around for anyone to grab!  synching...  it just goes to show how a dominant paradigm functions.  once the ideas are out there and people believe in more possibilities...  i find it interesting how looking at almost anything in this fabrication makes one aware of it.  t.v., as an example.  whenever i deign to experience it's offerings, i'm amazed at how much louder and more desperate it all sounds.  political garbage too.  it's like the salesman are running out of pitches, and they're stubbornly trying the same old shtick.  but LOUDER.  laughable.  hilarious, even.  takes me back to our days at court and the gossip and dramas...  it persists.

and the old "hundreth monkey" bit...  or the "shared unconscious"...  the mind creates, as edgar cayce would say...

more occurrences experienced collectively or not limited to single individuals would portend that it is accelerating in its breakdown.  the internet and constant texting (i.e. trying to connect, but at the expense of being where you are physically...) reflect an underlying tendency toward mass consciousness.  virtual, true, and having a number of problems/difficulties arising from the lack of awareness and limited focus as well, but just the right push or nudge at the opportune moment could have a catalyst effect or cataclysmic/catastrophic repurcussions.  it could also just pick up speed and sweep us all into the next adventure...

personally, i don't think anyone's in control of the outcome.  and even, on a personal level, people's worlds are breaking down and it's harder to maintain the illusion of permanence.  selfish personal agendas and whims are being dismissed as not so relevant anymore.  if it's based on harmony or healing though, the universe conspires!

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   It is the most "sensible" explanation I have heard yet...It would be fun to know exactly what the patent was for! My first thought would be for something that they want to hide away in a safe somewhere, or,,,at least to keep from the public......

Trish's picture

I just checked with Shaun, because the names listed didn't seem to match the names on the passenger list, and in his research he found that this theory has already been debunked. :-)


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The Saga Ends…Or Does It?sleight of hand

Prestidigitation: sleight of hand

a :  a cleverly executed trick or deception

b :  a conjuring trick requiring manual dexterity

c :  skill and dexterity in conjuring tricks

Najib Razak “Malaysia Airlines deeply regrets that we have to assume beyond any reasonable doubt that MH370 has been lost and that none of those on board survived… we must now accept all evidence suggests the plane went down in the Southern Indian Ocean.” (NY Times)

Razak, Malaysia’s prime minister has announced that missing flight MH370 crashed in the southern Indian Ocean.

Razak based his announcement on new analysis by British satellite firm Inmarsat, which provided satellite data, and the UK’s Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) which used that data to access the probability of the aircraft’s ability to reach dry land.

The firms “have concluded that MH370 flew along the southern corridor, and that its last position was in the middle of the Indian Ocean, west of Perth,” Mr Razak said.

“This is a remote location, far from any possible landing sites. It is therefore with deep sadness and regret that I must inform you that, according to this new data, flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean.”

The Aircraft is now lying on the bottom of the ocean. All souls onboard have been lost. The finality of the announcement brings closure to the family members of the passengers and crew of MH370. Oh, really?

The Malaysian government and several members of the search and rescue teams involved have publicly thanked INMARSAT for their diligent review of the data. So who exactly is INMARSAT, and what could a private company hope to gain by providing information which may be a “sleight of hand”  rather than a valid end to the Saga?

 We may be quite surprised to find out who is behind the global company and how their political alignments may have affected the finding.

INMARSAT  is a British satellite telecommunications company offering global mobile services. It provides telephone and data services to users worldwide, via portable or mobile terminals, which communicate to ground stations through eleven geostationary telecommunications satellites. Inmarsat’s network provides  communications services to a range of governments, aid agencies, media outlets and businesses with a need to communicate in remote regions, or where there is no reliable terrestrial network.

The company was originally founded in 1979 as the International Maritime Satellite Organization (Inmarsat), a not-for-profit international organization, set up at the behest of the International Maritime Organization (IMO), a UN body, for the purpose of establishing a satellite communications network for the maritime community.

Originally, the model was that of Intelsat, an international consortium which provided satellite communications among the member countries. The founding member of Intelsat, and the USA member, was Communications Satellite Corporation (COMSAT). Comsat also took the lead in the founding of Inmarsat. Inmarsat began trading in 1982. From the beginning, the acronym “Inmarsat” was used. The intent was to create a self-financing body which would improve safety of life at sea. The name was changed to “International Mobile Satellite Organization” when it began to provide services to aircraft and portable users, but the acronym “Inmarsat” were kept. When the organization was converted into a private company in 1999, the business was split into two parts: The bulk of the organization was converted into the commercial company, Inmarsat PLC, and a small group became the regulatory body, IMSO. Inmarsat was the first  international satellite organization that was privatized.

In 2005 Apax Partners and Permira bought shares in the company. The company was also first listed on the London Stock Exchange in that year. In March 2008 it was disclosed that U.S. Hedge Fund Harbinger Capital owned 28% of the company. In July 2009, Inmarsat completed the acquisition of a 19-per-cent stake in SkyWave Mobile Communications Inc., a provider of Inmarsat D+/IsatM2M network services, which in turn purchased the GlobalWave business from TransCore.[  On 15 April 2009, Inmarsat completed the acquisition of satellite communications provider Stratos Global Corporation (Stratos)

It would be prudent to pay particular attention to the largest single owner of INMARSAT:

Harbinger Capital

Harbinger was founded by its Senior Managing Director Philip Falcone and Harbert Management Corporation, a Birmingham, Alabama-based investment company that provided much of the original funding. Harbinger had funds under management of $26.5 billion (£13.4 billion) as of the end of June 2008. In 2009, Harbinger acquired the ownership of its funds from Harbert, although Harbert handled administrative functions for Harbinger for a short transitional period. Also in 2009, Harbinger acquired controlling stock of the Zapata Corporation  and changed its name to The Harbinger Group Inc.

Harbinger has owned large stakes in The New York Times Company, Cleveland-Cliffs, and 28% stock ownership of satellite communications company Inmarsat. The company has also owned stakes in rival satellite operators SkyTerra and Terrestar.

Harbinger Capital, which owned Russell Hobbs, merged it with Spectrum Brands on June 16, 2010 for $661 million and now controls approximately 64% of the appliance maker, Spectrum.

 Now as we perform our due diligence and follow the money, we find that there is one company that stands out here. Who is that you ask? Well, let’s take a look at The Zapata Corporation:


Harbinger Group Inc. (NYSE:HRG), formerly Zapata Corporation, is a holding company based in Rochester, New York, and originating from an oil company started by a group including the former United States president George H. W. Bush. Links between the company and the United States Central Intelligence Agency exist . In 2009, it was renamed the Harbinger Group Inc. in an attempt to thwart such affiliations.

Now we have come to the point in which we have asked what this “private” company could hope to gain from providing misleading data and sending the world to the southern Indian Ocean, which is the most desolate and dangerous ocean in the world.

It has been stated that FLT 370 carried 12 crew members and 227 passengers from 15 nations. Who were these passengers?  Out of the 227, 20 were employees of Freescale Semiconductor, a company based in Austin, Texas – 12 were from Malaysia, and 8 from China.

Freescale was involved in a classified government project with the U.S. Department of Defense.

What is unusual is that the Malaysian government has continually refused to release the cargo list. Was there something onboard that aircraft? Perhaps something developed by the Freescale engineers and on its way to Beijing to be sold or turned over to the Chinese?

Could it be that Inmarsat is complicit in diverting the delivery of this cargo and group of engineers to Beijing?

Could it be that there are other reasons that those controlling Inmarsat do not want the truth to be told about the whereabouts of the Malaysian Boeing 777?

A little “Sleight of Hand” and the world is convinced that Flt 370 lies beneath the oceans.


Wendy's picture

Hi Lightwins,

You beat me to posting this article. I like the way it follows the money to the Bush cabal. This was from Veteran's Today if anyone is interested. I personally have a lot of respect for that publication.

Trish, I'd like to hear how your husband's theory was debunked - the lamestream media is putting out all kinds of cover stories now. The general idea that there were either people with valuable ideas or other valuable cargo aboard that plane makes the most sense as to why it was "disappeared". You wouldn't want to blow up such a plane, you would want to secretly and safely land a plane like that. It could be that there was not enough time for the Bush cabal or whoever to create a fake debris field in the ocean so now the story is conveniently saying that the plane went to the Indian Ocean - where it is deep and could theoretically be lost (atleast a good story for the sheeple who don't think more about it)



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money, money!  money!

was watching now you see me the other week, and it suddenly hit me what the biggest trick/illusion (in our shared experience) is.  money.

the british empire and its subsidiaries (US and the g-7) have done a most excellent job of enslaving the planet (true, there might be OTHERS behind the obvious "pulling the strings") and making much of it believe it is still "free".  but when 80-90 % of the planet has practically nothing or is living paycheck to paycheck?  hmmm...

i talked with this guy at the rainbow gathering in california YEARS ago, who was part of a special forces unit during the gulf wars and was present as their troops had seized saddam hussein's yacht and were divesting the royal family of its royal treasure.  they have done this to each and every people/culture/government.  the british museum.  filled with other countries treasures.  everywhere people had become disconnected from their pasts and cultures, and were willing to sell themselves and their people out for the promise of PAPER.  or the lands that they already "owned" or inhabited, that were also taken from them.

now, whatever you want to say about banking cartels, the bilderbergs, etc., the one funny thing that supposedly holds that 1% in power is a COMPLETE ILLUSION.  it has NO REAL WORTH.  wages are subject to what the boss wants to pay, no job security practically anywhere, inflation rates, taxes...  it's all a HUGE FUCKING JOKE.  even on the t.v. show revolution they try to surmise that people would use diamonds for trade, post-fall.  gold, diamonds, etc. also have a relative value and it is mostly asthetic and subjective to the buyer.  all that shit would be worthless.  you can't eat it and it won't protect you from the weather.

so the REALLY FUNNY part about this whole global enslavement thing, is that when the bottom drops out and money is meaningless, or, heaven forbid, we decide to take the INITIATIVE and MAKE IT SO before some trumped-up "new" agenda replaces that old, that 1% will be TOTALLY SCREWED.  no one to work for them or rough people up for them anymore, cause, guess what?  no money.  depending how really stupid and "sheepish" people are...

and it goes BEYOND that.  real estate.  "owning" land.  also a joke, unless you can REALLY keep people off of it.  it's all been stolen before!  health and the medical industry.  keeping people sick and unhealthy so they are tied into that system.  the entertainment and media industry, in general.  tell people WHAT to think and laugh at or be worried about.  keep the stereotypes (sexual, racial, religious, etc) going.  keep the division/separation going.  oh, it's ok to laugh at that joke, because that's how BLACK PEOPLE are.  or isn't that joke about the catholic, protestant and jew going into the bar hilarious.  sure, some GENERALITIES hold because of conditioning and identification, but it's simply incredible how they subtly keep the tensions there.  and then racism responds to racism and sexism follows sexism.  the pendulum swings...

the crusades were an interesting time.  both banking and hospitals have their (major) origins there.  and the middle-men.  wanting their "piece" or "cut".  for nothing.  and the major religions of that place ALMOST had a melding or understanding.  the catholic church at that time put a stop to that shit real quick.  heresy!  thanks for your service, now go hang.  and this country that i currently sit in was founded on the greed and ambition of a bunch of genocidal, land-stealing, gold hungry, lying, back-stabbing cut-throats.  time to pull the rug out from under those pirates and show them what some real goonies can do

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sorry, had to just barf that out.  the lynch-pin is the idea of inflation or changing gold values, gas prices, whatever.  on the $ side, that $50 you had 5 years ago isn't even worth $50 anymore.  so, what the hell is that?  does NOBODY really see that, but me?  so, if you make $10/hr (to keep it simple) for HARD LABOR (but you might not be THAT SMART, so we're not going to pay you more to think [or not think]) and save that money, say 40 hrs worth...  they TAKE some of it for whatever they deem NECESSARY which may or may not even happen, and you're left with the rest.  but, then the "economy" or "market" or whatever other stupid words they want to use to make you think there's actually something there changes and your money is no longer worth that.  and the price of living has gone up.  brilliant.  simply fucking brilliant that you can SO dumb a mass populace down to believing in that lie AT ALL.

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Starmonkey, I think the plan is to devalue the dollar, thereby causing global economic collapse so that, after we've starved awhile, we'll welcome the controller's global currency.  This new currency could be paperless -  totally electronic -- and will eventually require an implanted microchip.  "Don't play by our rules, we'll turn your chip off."

I'm not saying they'll succeed; that's just the plan I've heard.

But how did we get on this subject?  I thought we were talking about a missing airplane.

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from The Onion

Malaysia Airlines Expands Investigation To Include General Scope Of Space, Time

‘Why Are We Even Here?’ Officials Probe

NewsNews ISSUE 50•10 Mar 13, 2014

Assuming the actuality of wavefunction collapse, Malaysia Airlines officials say flight MH370 could currently be located in any possible alternate future.

KUALA LUMPUR, MALAYSIA—Following a host of conflicting reports in the wake of the mysterious disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 last Saturday, representatives from the Kuala Lumpur–based carrier acknowledged they had widened their investigation into the vanished Boeing 777 aircraft today to encompass not only the possibilities of mechanical failure, pilot error, terrorist activity, or a botched hijacking, but also the overarching scope of space, time, and humankind’s place in the universe.

The airline, now in its fifth day of searching for the passenger jet carrying 239 passengers and crew, has come under fire for its perceived mishandling of the investigation, whose confusing and contradictory reports have failed to provide definitive answers on everything from how long the missing plane remained aloft after losing contact with air traffic controllers, to whether the flight made a radical alteration in its heading, to the very dimensions of space-time and the nature of reality, and what exactly it is that brought us into existence and imbued us with this thing we call life.

Additionally, the airline confirmed it had expanded its active search area to include a several-hundred-square-mile zone in the Indian Ocean as well as each of the seven or 22 additional spatial dimensions posited by string theory.

“We continue to do everything in our power and explore every possible lead—both Cartesian and phenomenological—to locate the aircraft as quickly as possible,” said Malaysia’s civil aviation chief Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, who went on to say that authorities were still actively seeking tips from anyone claiming knowledge related either to the flight, or to the mechanisms by which consciousness arises, or to the question of why anything physical and finite exists instead of nothing at all. “At this stage, we can’t rule anything out: not crew interference with the transponders, not a catastrophic electrical failure, not the emergence of a complex topological feature of space-time such as an Einstein-Rosen bridge that could have deposited the flight at any location in the universe or a different time period altogether, nothing.”

“Could a parallel universe have immediately swelled up from random cosmological fluctuation according to the multiverse theory and swallowed the flight into its folds, or could ice have built up on an airspeed sensor? Those are both options we are currently considering,” Rahman added. “Everything’s on the table. That is, insofar as anything exists at all, which we’re also looking into.”

Rahman assured the press and families of passengers that officials would not rest until they locate the plane, provided that sensory experience can be verified beyond the existence of one’s own mind. Malaysian authorities also cautioned that they were dealing with an unprecedented aviation mystery and that it could take months to ascertain the airliner’s exact fate as well as, for that matter, the fate of mankind itself, assuming a linear theory of space-time in which the future is unknowable and objects travel in a forward trajectory which, authorities hasten to add, is not necessarily the case.

In addition, airline sources attempted to assuage an uneasy public by noting they had brought in top crash investigators from the Malaysian, Vietnamese, and Chinese governments, as well as U.S. Navy personnel, Boeing technicians, leading quantum physicists, theoretical cosmologists, metaphysicians, epistemologists, and determinist philosophers to help scour all conceivable and as yet inconceivable locations in which the plane might be located.

“The bottom line is that we have a sophisticated aircraft fresh off a safety inspection with no prior incident of malfunction, flying in good weather at a cruising altitude,” Rahman continued. “Why didn’t the pilot send a distress signal? Why aren’t we finding a debris path? What are we to make of the contradictory radar information? Where did the universe begin and can it be said to have a limit or an edge? What is mankind’s role in it? Is there a God? If so, what is God’s nature?”

“It’s too early to answer these questions right now, but I can assure you that Malaysia Airlines will get to the bottom of it,” Rahman added. “Our top people are on it right now.”

ksaulino's picture

LOL..... that's so awesome, John!  Probably more true than any other theory out there.  :)


Lots of love and light,


Starmonkey's picture

well it's a good thing i don't have much to lose there, then, NOA.  and all subjects are really just the same subject.  some trains of thought inspire other trains of thought...  and so it goes.  a little satire thrown in for good measure...

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I'm so glad you (Chris-Starmonkey) and Eric are here at the G-Spot.  Great intelligent inspiring points of view and a big breath of fresh air so free from the usual fear-mongering fear-based rhetoric we have all had to swim through on our way to a better understanding of what the hell is going on.

And love the way you two handle some of the stifling bullying comments that have come your way(s) recently.  To truly let the aggressive left brain ego bullshit slide has been one of my biggest stumbling blocks in my life, and you two (as well as many other long time G-Spot members) are doing that well which gives me hope that I too may learn to simply let it slide at those moments when I want to retaliate so bad, so sorely tempted, but never really accomplishes anything of any value...

Thanks you two for being here.  Your two (X2) cents is very much appreciated!!!!  I can only hope that Jez (one of the Australian members of the G-Spot) is still looking in at times and has met you two via your comments....  Keep orbiting the box - already enough inside the box that are unaware there even is a box...

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i appreciate your presence as well, chris.  and i respect all viewpoints, despite their self-evident limitations.  it's a tricky mess we've gotten ourselves into.  and where is fred?  letting us sort it all out, i guess.  i understand the sensitivity of humans and the imbalance.  hell, i'm one!  i don't really have anything to prove, but i will respond when attacked or provoked.  that said...  what really DID happen to the other 240 members of the "g-spot"?  and why?  will i soon join their number?  maybe they were systematically abducted, lost their sense of humor, or finally experienced the rapture (i.e. ascended).  thanks to the WM's depth of insight i no longer have to covet that golden apple or hope for that carrot.  khep-rer.  self-transforming.  the scarab tirelessly rolling his bit of poo around the desert...

ChrisBowers's picture

A big part of it IMO is that nothing really happened on Dec.21st, 2012.  Shouldn't be that way, but so many of us that find our way to a community like this are hopeless romantics that fall in love with certain pet concepts, and when those don't pan out, well you get the point.

Another big part of it is that many fell prey to becoming disgusted with the petty nonsense that accompanies a free-thinking forum like this one.  As long as humans are involved, but not yet evolved to the lofty rationalizations their left brains are entertaining, there will be conflict and HUGE BLIND SPOTS, LOL....

You owe it to yourself to not fall prey to the same disgust, to not fall prey to being successfully stifled by anyone.  If you allow that to happen you will invite the test all over again at another time and place, so might as well stand your ground here by not letting any of this nonsense rattle you.

For every one person that would try to shut you down because your views, or the way you present them puts them off, there are 10 that would say they love the way you think and seek for truth and understanding.  Ah guaranteez it bro!!!!!!

Noa's picture

Last time Jez left a comment on this forum, he was reprimanded by Fred for being out of line with his unkind remarks.


Starmonkey's picture

i'm sure fred is reading all of this, and i'm not afraid to share my thoughts and feelings.  i almost gave in to your tyrrany a few times and left, but i felt that wasn't fair to everyone and it wasn't taking responsibility for the "mess" i helped to create.  occlusion isn't always helpful, as we all know.  and neither is being obtuse or unyielding.  if subtlety and suppleness are lost...  and if you don't use it...  well, there's the story of the young sapling and the bitter old brittle tree.  it stopped savoring life's essence, sipping of the nectar, smelling the roses.  we can choose another way.  anyone?

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it's hard to admit our mistakes or TRULY apologize and to atone/repent/be sorry.  i hadn't even experienced it personally until this last year or so.  and the TC and TT were partly responsible for that.  but just in a reflectivelikeeverythingelse way.  like i said, i was just looking for others out there somewhere with which to share my thoughts and feelings, and which i was hoping would be open to doing the same in return.  besides this virtual world in which i chose to take part, i have a real world all around me that i can interact with.  people like you and me.  different hearts and make-ups and masks and tendencies and strengths and weaknesses and parts "good" and "bad"...  they are EVERYWHERE.  waiting to acknowledge one another as family and forgive all of our "sins" and "failures" and "shortcomings".

who will make up the difference?  who will pay that massive "debt" that needs paid?  maybe me.  and i mean just a little old "me".  not capital ME and not ME H. CHRIST.  but just a little old me.  and another me.  one spadeful at a time.  one seed at a time.  one day at a time.  is it friday, or thursday?  is it the "millenium", "armageddon" or "apocalypse" (look up that word and its history, just for fun).  do i have to work tomorrow or do something?...  and on and on.  until we decide collectively that today is today, and that it is a good day.  to be here and surrounded by those we love and who love us.  ?s

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my point was, if i (snicker) do not belong here (guffaw), then i am truly sorry (straight face) for upsetting your tea party.  and i mean that.  it's just sort of ironic, all the same.  it wouldn't necessarily help ME or YOU, and none of this really has any affect on I, so it doesn't really matter what we do or say if we:

A) don't respect and remember the source/creator/origin/"god"/"goddess"/HOME/FAMILY at all times and in EVERYTHING we do

B) don't respect and nurture life in all its forms and states and processes and faces and roles and definitions and LIVELIHOOD, it's very likeness or lifeness.  beautiful.  simply astounding and wonderful.  i want MORE not less

C)don't give thanks and LIVE life with gratitude and joy and FEEL the abundance we have all around us!  maybe it all doesn't look or feel so "hot" right now, so let's TRANSFORM it into what we all want it to be.  through playing and THE DANCE, like we've been doing this whole time, anyhow.  we just need to watch our own steps and not comment so much on one another's style.  if our steps get out of line we should use the reflections of others upon the dance floor to show us that something isn't flowing or moving properly.  and know that, at any point, one of us might need some fresh air and "space" and know that even though we think we're alone, we're not if we don't WANT to be.  but it's good to take breaks and technology breaks down our resistances because that is the nature of our creation.  breaking down barriers.  making all "as one".  thanks to the internet, despite its apparent "corruption" or "corrupting" influence, is there are no more skeletons and the closets are all open.  no more secrets.  virtual omniscience and omnipresence.  but virtual.  when everyone else is willing to TURN AROUND and look at what they've piled up and neglected or thought discarded in their OWN closets, and then elect to throw wide the door and let it all out AND let go of it.  then, it's on.  but not until or before (or after) that decided moment.  so we can stop peering around and trying to see in other's closets, like we don't already know what IS there or whatever could possibly BE in there...  and clean out our fucking closets!  no more closets!  no more closets!  i'm going to go tend to mine before "someone" else does it for me.  and get rid of some baggage and band-aids and piles of used kleenexes (from many different fluids and juices) and tampons and memorabilia and sentimentality and self-pity and...  well, just lots of nonsense, really.  and stuff that really only has "meaning" or import to me, because I experienced it THAT way.  but it's not always helpful to other's, this baggage i have, so i'm going to go deal with it.  i may be awhile (it's been several lifetimes, already), so best to you and yours.  going to be TRUE to my SELF, for a change, and see where that leads me.

sincerely, christopher michael johnson

born at 9:27 in the morning on the eve of the summer's solstice, june the 20th of the year 1973, as the romans and catholics and major political and religious and social influences on the planet we call earth call it, in the town of des moines (that's french) in the state of iowa, 'neath a golden dome atop a building constructed under sacred geometric proportions...  on a beautiful sunny day.  under this same glorious sun that shines overhead today and which i am presently going to go pay my respects to.  blessings to all, and to all a good day

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I don't see you as one suffering from alleged baggage, but as one who is open and creative, as one expressing ideas in a creative and entertaining and engaging fashion.  The one who has engaged you in a negative and judgmental fashion has done so on other occasions with others, and I imagine will do it again when the intention to do so strikes again.

This anecdotal evidence is really no evidence at all and IMO should be dismissed entirely as it has absolutely nothing to do with you and has much more to say about the one doing the judging and bullying.  It's as simple as that.  Apparently there is always going to be someone filling this position until the evolution of the human condition.  It should be dismissed early and often IMO.....

Love yer style dude - hope you stick around, but if you don't, by all means don't change a god damn thing about the quintessential you, that would be a crime that only you could commit brother...

And remember - evolution isn't always particularly pretty, but it's usually pretty interesting!!!

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     I love being happy and not scared, what can I say .  I learned a lot from the courses and I live by it . They have changed my life and I am in constant progression my friend .  I am glad you noticed I live by example ,be the change you want in the world .  But you are right sometimes it is hard .



   Love all<> Eric Cool

Trish's picture

Thanks for the 'Sleight of Hand' information, John, that sounds very interesting, and it seems to tie in with the Freescale Semiconductor info that my hubby pulled up. Also, I especially loved the Onion article; some of their editors must have a similar exposure to ideas about consciousness and manifestation, because I've seen a few articles like these that make me laugh out loud because of their cleverness yet depth of philisophical background!

Wendy, I asked my hubby Shaun to follow up with some more details on why the original idea got debunked, and suggested that the 'debunked' part might be a misinfomation trail too. When he has time, he'll dig into it some more and get back to me - he's part of a message board of his own where they're sleuthing this mystery much like we are. :-)


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