Revealing Comparison of WingMakers Interviews

Changes to WingMakers Interviews
Comparison of Original and Changed Interviews

Beloved Transformation Team friends,

Thanks to the excellent work of a key supporter, we now have documents which carefully compare the original and changed versions of the WingMakers interviews. Using simple color coding, these two documents allow you to see exactly what was deleted from the two interviews on the original WingMakers website, and what was added afterwards. All blue-shaded text in the linked documents below was part of the original interviews, but deleted from the changed versions. All magenta-shaded text was not in the original interviews, but included in the version now posted on the website.

For a summary and exploration of these changes, read on. To view the full text with color-coded comparison of the two interviews now, click on the links immediately below.

Interview One:

Interview Two:


The original interviews appeared with the first posting of the WingMakers website in late 1998. They were changed sometime in mid-2001. Starting in early 2001, the entire WingMakers website, which had remained unchanged up to that point, began to change and take on a new flavor. Though subtle, the changes often appear designed to lead readers back to hierarchical ways of thinking and to the need for saviors in the form of a Central Race. This is in direct opposition to the message in the WingMakers philosophy.

Though other parts of the current website have continued to change and develop, we have not seen any further changes to the two interviews since they were first changed in 2001. However, two additional interviews which were not part of the original WingMakers website were later added. You can verify all of this using, which shows how the website appeared at various times in the past. Click here to explore these changes now.

The see the entire original WingMakers website virtually unchanged from how it once appeared, click here. To go directly to the first of the two interviews on the original website, click here. For the first interview as it now appears on the website, click here. As the two interviews are quite long, we will present a few of the major changes here which demonstrate that they were more than simply "additions" to the story, as has been claimed numerous times by James.

For those who don't know, James appeared on the website in 2001 claiming to be the originator of all of the WingMakers material. He also claimed that the WingMakers story was only a modern day myth. I originally thought the WingMakers story might be a myth, but after seeing the level of subtle, yet very sophisticated changes and the energy behind the new material added to the website, I became convinced that the original story was likely true and cover-up was taking place involving James and those working with him. I invite you to open to your own spiritual guidance and draw your own conclusions as you explore these intriguing matters.

Summary and Exploration

Here are some samples of changes demonstrating that the changes made to the interviews were much more than just "additions" to the story, as James has claimed in a personal email to me and elsewhere. All comments not part of either the original or changed interviews are in italics.

Original interview text (deleted from interview on current website):

Dr. Anderson: "I decided to leave the project after I was successful in deducing the access code for the optical disc. Shortly thereafter I became aware of what I can only describe as the presence of the WingMakers. I felt as though they were visiting me . . . even assisting me in my work . . ."

The same passage in the changed interview (Dr. Anderson becomes Dr. Neruda in changed interviews):

Dr. Neruda: "I decided to leave the project after I was successful in deducing the access code for the optical disc, and felt that the ACIO was going to prevent the public from accessing the information contained within the Ancient Arrow site. There were other reasons, but it's too complicated to explain in a concise response."

This below section comes from the original interview immediately after the first paragraph above. This exchange between Anne and Dr. Anderson was completely deleted from the changed version.

Anne: "When you say 'visiting you', what evidence did you have that the WingMakers might be visiting you?"

Dr. Anderson: "I was spending 70 hours per week working on the decoding formulas for the symbol pictures, and this went on for about 8 months. During this time I tried every conceivable combination to create an access code to the optical disc. I was convinced it was the only way to open it. I was also convinced that it was purposely made to be difficult, at least to our present-day brains. It was almost as though the struggle to decode their language was exercising a part of my brain or nervous system that was enabling me to communicate with them."

"I began to hear them speaking to me. It began as a word or two . . . then a sentence . . . maybe just once a day. It didn't make much sense . . . what I heard. But then one day I was working on a chamber painting and I saw something move in the painting. One of the symbols moved and it was absolutely not an illusion or trick of the light. Then I realized that the WingMakers could interact with me, that they were time traveling to my time and that somehow their paintings were actually portals in which they moved through time. ... When I finished with the access code and it worked, I knew then that I was indeed communicating with them."

Anne: "Did you tell anyone? I mean about the fact that you were communicating with the WingMakers?"

Dr. Anderson: "I kept it a secret. I wasn't sure how I would be able to explain the phenomenon and I didn't want to arouse suspicions. ... They visited me a total of three times -- always in my home at night -- and told me that I had been selected to be their liaison or spokesperson. Of course I asked them why me and not Fifteen, and they said that Fifteen was unable to speak for them because he was already the pawn of the Corteum."

Note that any reference to Fifteen being a pawn of the Corteum is deleted in the changed version of the interview. Is this just an addition, as claimed by James? The changed interviews also delete numerous passages which talk about Dr. Anderson's special energetic connection with the WingMakers. In fact, the WingMakers there are described as being part of a superior Central Race which is intent on saving us from an evil alien race, which in the changed interviews is called the Animus. Yet the original WingMakers philosophy is very clear that in the new paradigm, our task is to transcend hierarchical ways of thinking and stop seeking saviors outside of ourselves, choosing instead to search for the deepest wisdom within.

Also deleted from an early portion of the first changed interview:

Dr. Anderson: "The other outcome of immersion in the time capsule's contents was a sense of loyalty to the WingMakers' philosophy and approach to life. I found myself becoming less and less technology-centric and more and more spiritually focused. There was a sense of entrainment caused by their teaching that I couldn't explain. For whatever reason, I began to loose my objectivity as a researcher, and felt myself more of an advocate of the WingMakers."

The new version appears to downplay any spiritual aspects and focus more on scientific and military matters.

In the changed interviews on the current website:

Dr. Neruda: "The Labyrinth Group believed that the WingMakers are representatives of the Central Race, and that they created our particular human genotype to become suitable soul carriers in our particular universe. The Ancient Arrow site is part of a broader, interconnected system of seven sites installed on each continent. Together, we believe this system constitutes a defensive technology."

He later adds:

Dr. Neruda: "The Central Race is divided into seven tribes, and they are master geneticists and the progenitors of the humanoid race. In effect, they are our future selves. Quite literally they represent what we will evolve into in time and towards in terms of space. ... The Central Race resides in the most primeval galaxies nearest the centermost part of the universe. ... The central universe is the material home of First Source and is eternal. ... The Central Race is known to some as the creator gods who developed the primal template of the human species and then, working in conjunction with the Life Carriers, seeded the galaxies as the universes expanded."

The WingMakers on the original website clearly imply that the home of First Source is found deep within each one of us. No mention is ever made on the original site of the WingMakers being involved in military matters or being part of a Central Race from the center of the universe. The term Central Race was never even mentioned. In the original interviews immediately below, Dr. Anderson expresses his belief that the WingMakers may actually be a future version of the ACIO's Labyrinth Group, a view which is expunged from the changed version.

Original interviews:

Anne: "Can you elaborate on the WingMakers and who you think they are or represent?"

Dr. Anderson: "I don't know who they are, but they represent themselves as human time travelers from the middle part of the 28th century. They could very well be the future version of the Labyrinth Group, or some other powerful organization."

The original interviews further comment:

Anne: "But if the WingMakers are so advanced technologically, why time capsules? Why not just appear one day and announce what ever it is they want to share? Why this game of hide and seek and hidden time capsules?"

Dr. Anderson: "Their motives are not clear. I think they planted these time capsules as their way to bring culture and technology from their time to ours. And they decided to do this by leaving behind these miraculous structures or time capsules that, once discovered, would lead people to a new philosophy or level of understanding. I think they're as interested in our philosophical outlook as our discovery of BST. Perhaps more so."

In the changed version of the above (note that Anne's name is changed to Sarah):

Sarah: "Back to the WingMakers for a moment, if they're so advanced technologically, why time capsules? Why not just appear one day and announce whatever it is they want to share? Why this game of hide and seek and hidden time capsules?"

Dr. Neruda: "Their motives are not clear. I think they left behind these time capsules as their way to bring culture and technology from their time to ours. We also believe that these sites represent a defensive weapon. A very sophisticated defensive weapon."

Again the emphasis in the changed interviews is on the WingMakers being involved in military matters, which is of prime importance to the ACIO on both the original and changed websites.

In the changed interviews (no equivalent in the original interviews):

Dr. Neruda: "The Animus desire to own this planet in order to own its genetics. As I've already mentioned, this is a synthetic race. A species that can clone itself and fabricate more and more of its population to serve the purpose of its colonization program. However, it desires more than the expansion of its empire. It desires to become a soul carrier -- something reserved for pure biological organisms. Synthetic organisms are not able to carry the higher frequencies of soul, which absolutely require an organic nervous system."

Sarah: "So they want a soul?"

Dr. Neruda: "They want to expand throughout the universe and develop their organic nature through genetic reengineering. They want to become soul carriers in order to achieve immortality. They also want to prove what they already believe, that they are superior to all other pure organics."

The original interviews talk about an alien race (called the animus in the changed interviews) which is from a galaxy 2.6 million light years away. In the changed interviews, the distance is changed to 37 million light years. In the original interviews, the Corteum is described as coming from a planet 15,000 light years away. In the changed version, this number is changed to 15 million. Why would someone go to the trouble of changing these distances if they were only "additions" to the story? Could it be that someone doesn't want us to look on star charts and figure out which solar systems and galaxies are involved?

Original interview:

Dr. Anderson: "Actually, we've tried our remote viewing technology on the WingMakers. It was one of the first things we tried. But we got nothing. In fact, it was the first time when our technology was completely ineffective. We assumed that the WingMakers had developed some form of security that prevented remote viewing. But we weren't sure."

Changed version:

Dr. Neruda: "The ACIO has a department that specializes in Remote Viewing technology, and within this department was a woman of unparalleled capability as an RV. She was assigned to the project as its RV, and she was a critical element in determining the identity and purpose of the WingMakers. ... She was able to make contact with the original planners of the Ancient Arrow site. Through these two RV sessions we were able to determine that the identity of the WingMakers was an ancient -- the most ancient -- race of humankind."

Yet the original interviews clearly state that the WingMakers are a future version of humanity. Dr. Anderson later states: "The WingMakers are the Labyrinth Group . . . only 750 years in the future." You will find this and related beliefs edited out on numerous occasions in the new version. And why change the remote viewing from "completely ineffective" to "a critical element in determining the identity and purpose of the Wingmakers"?

Original interview (from here down quotes are from the second interview):

Anne: "Okay, last night you mentioned that the WingMakers had appointed you to be their liaison. You also said that they wanted you to be their liaison because Fifteen was a pawn of the Corteum. Can you elaborate on that?"

Dr. Anderson: "I was apparently selected to be their spokesperson in this time, and not only help translate their text, paintings, and symbol pictures, but also help in bringing these things to the public's attention. In other words, I don't think the WingMakers desired the contents of their time capsules to be held in a secret repository deep within the bowels of the Labyrinth Group."

The changed version appears to make the Labyrinth Group's leader Fifteen a much more respected person, while the originals seriously question his intentions.

Original interview:

Dr. Anderson: "It was a pure grade titanium-beryllium composite, which, as you may know, is extremely rare."

Changed interview:

Dr. Neruda: "It was a pure grade composite of unknown origin."

Could it be that someone wanted to hide the composition of the material mentioned at this point in the interviews? Why else would they delete it on making changes? More detail generally makes for a better story.

Original version:

"After the initial discovery of the Ancient Arrow site, all of the physical artifacts that could be removed from the site were carefully packed in shipping crates and shipped to the ACIO research lab in Virginia, and are held by the Labyrinth Group in its own laboratory."

Yet in the changed version here and in another section, the location of the ACIO research lab is changed from Virginia to Southern California. If it's only a modern day myth or additions to the story, why bother with this change? Virginia, for those who don't know, is the hub of a lot of top-secret intelligence activities.

Original interview:

Dr. Anderson: "If you take the WingMakers on face value, in other words, what do they say it is, it's a time capsule that will help facilitate the development of a global culture. They claim that somehow, when all seven of the time capsules are discovered, that they'll serve as a communication bridge between humans of today and their future selves."

Changed version:

Dr. Neruda: "The Ancient Arrow site was labeled initially as an Extraterrestrial Time Capsule, or ETC, however, it is not actually, in my opinion, a time capsule. ... The site is part of a larger structure that's interconnected through some means I don't understand. We know there're seven sites that have been constructed on earth -- presumably in the ninth century. We know that these sites have some defensive purpose, and we know that the sites planners represent themselves are culture bearers, and are most likely representatives from the Central Race."

In the changed version, Dr. Neruda says he believes the ancient arrow site is not a time capsule, whereas the originals, talked very openly of this being the case. The changed interviews also focus heavily on the importance of DNA, where the original WingMakers philosophy discuss how genetics is being used by the hierarchy to control us and keep us from finding wisdom within ourselves. In the changed version there is also a heavy emphasis on souls and soul carriers, when this is hardly mentioned in the original.

Final Note

From these changes and lots more, it is apparent that the additions James claims to have made to the original story are much more than just additions. The changes in fact have a very different quality and flavor from the originals. Almost as soon as the website began to change in 2001, I and many others who strongly resonated with the amazing materials on the original website suspected intervention with an agenda.

If the intriguing story of the WingMakers on the original website were true, we would expect the ACIO to do there best to either remove the WingMakers website or distort the information to lead readers back to their own agenda. I and many others strongly suspect that the ACIO did, in fact, put lots of resources into gradually and subtly bringing these empowering materials back in line with their own hierarchical agenda.

Yet each one of us must draw our own conclusions. To see the full comparison of changes and explore for yourself, click on the links below.

Interview One:

Interview Two:

For an overview of all changes to the WingMakers website, click here. For more on changes to the interviews, click here. Thanks for your interest in this fascinating and transformative material. I invite you to reach deep inside yourself. You may feel the wisdom of the WingMakers reaching out for you. Open to your own inner guidance as you explore these fascinating matters. Remember that on the deepest levels we are all divine. James, members of the ACIO, and every being is simply playing out their role in the cosmic unfolding of the universe. Let us remember that the deepest transformation happens from the inside out.

With sacred love and very best wishes,

P.S. For those who haven't seen it, I had a fascinating exchange of emails with the alleged founders of the WingMakers website, Mark Hempel and James. To read this stimulating dialog where I ask questions about some of the points listed above, click here. And to read further excellent comments on the interview changes from a thoughtful friend of mine who has taught at several respected universites, click here.

JoyAnna's picture

for checking this out for us who are not quite as knowledgeable about duing such research. I appreciate that you and Chris went first to the souce of the changes to see if there were legitament reasons. Since the replies were so evasive, it is hard not to believe that deception was at the core of the changes. Yes, we all must rely on our individual knowingness (if that's a word) and I'm sure that those who take this information seriously will do just that. I do have a lot of concern for the many, many folks out there who are so used to fantasy entertainment and the lies of those in authority who may have been led away from the deep spiritual message of the original website

I still have a couple of questions. Is the ACIO a real government (or other) organization? I googled it, and found 260 references to it, most of which come from the WM site. But quite a few people are also asking. A closed loop is created for anyone attempting to validate this material when all the references point back to where the researcher may have initially run into the acronym.

I also wonder, and I suppose I could go to and check for myself, if changes were also made to the philosophy enteries. If those docs were similarly changed, it would be quite important to get the same comparison as was done for the interviews. Is the generous scribe taking on
that task?

Few typical web surfers are aware of the method to access the various changes a website has gone through, so the adulteration of the WM information will go mostly undetected by many who would benefit from the original. I just hate to see deceitfulness win, even temporarily.

fredburks's picture

Hi JoyAnna,

Thanks for your comments on my favorite material. Having explored the WingMakers for a number of years, I can tell you that only once did I come across a reference to the ACIO that was from an independent source. There is no proof of which I am aware regarding their existence. What convinced me of the story was the amount of money that I know went in to distorting the original website and making the new website very sophisticated and appealing.

I have compared the original and changed philosophical pieces. The two writings from the original website have been changed very little on the current site. This may be because the original versions of this philosophy were written in language that is quite esoteric and difficult for most people to understand. As I worked professionally as a language interpreter for many years, I was able to understand the originals and recognize the beauty of what I read. Using my translation skills, I translated this esoteric language into common, everyday English, which is what you now read at

There were a only a few very minor changes to the philosophical writings. The biggest change was that the term Prime Creator was consistently changed to First Source. I see nothing wrong with that change. My suspicion is that the WingMakers themselves are somehow involved in this. Though they have allowed the website to be distorted, they have not allowed the original philosophy to be changed significantly, and knew that the ACIO would be OK with this as the language is too difficult for most people to comprehend. This is just my intuition, though I do feel a close connection with the WingMakers.

I suspect the WingMakers were aware that all of this would happen and have no problem with it. They never wanted their materials to be made into the next new age fad. They may have allowed all of this to happen so that the information would only get to those who would use it most wisely. And I could be wrong about all of this, too!  ;o)  I welcome any further questions.

With lots of love and warm wishes,

P.S. The person who made the comparison of the interviews was not Chris, though Chris is the one who put me in touch with Mark and James.

UrsulaD's picture

Thanks Fred, for posting this comparison. I have not yet clicked on and read all the links, but from the first time I read the Wingmakers material, when I did the course, I realised that the changes were made to muddy the message. As you say, maybe it is that we search more diligently and pay more attention.

My thoughts are that when it is felt necessary to change an original message, there is definitely an agenda. The whole thing is though, that people who are really searching for answers, will notice this and will start probing even deeper. So while the original message might have received not so much attention, but changing it, they have done exactly what they did not want, they have drawn more attention to it!

Love U

Bodhi's picture

brother fred,

you write:

"Upon reading the original WM material, I wept at
reading wisdom far, far more profound than anything I had ever come
across in my many years of reading and study. As I watched the intent
of those original writings become gradually watered down and distorted
from their original purpose, I think you can understand why I was
dismayed, and why I'd like to know what happened."

it is my joy to witness how much the original WM message inspired you. and i agree with your take on the current "watered down" version. compared to the original, it is quite a bit less appealing to my sensibilities as well.


have you considered that perhaps one of the primary reasons that the original WM messages were watered down was to light the fire to get this transformation team project off the ground?

what's clear to me is that while some of us need to be marshalled along the path of illumination, others take but the merest nudge and they're off blazing entirely new, unexpected, and delightful trails across the vast landscape of pure being...

you got nice trails bro... Smile

your brother in the blazing...


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fredburks's picture

I recently connected by email and phone with a wonderful man who is one of the most respected leaders in the UFO movement. He asked me to keep his name confidential, but we've had several email exchanges and a long phone call in which we were both excited to learn more about each other's work.

As a result of our connection, this new friend went back to explore the WingMakers material and had some truly awesome insights. To read his excellent comments on the changes to the WM interviews, click here.

This highly educated man suspects that there are powerful beings whose agenda is to get the people of Earth to follow some sort of new cosmic religion in which great spirits from other planets and/or other realms will save us from ourselves and guide us to a new paradise. Same old story in new clothes.

He points out that the original WingMakers material had none of this, instead calling on each of us to find the deepest wisdom within ourselves. Yet the changed WM website is very much pointing to a new cosmic religion led by the Lyricus Teaching Order with all its trappings. Fascinating! I welcome your thoughts.

With lots of love and excitement,

JoyAnna's picture

This is so important!

We must remain alert and teach ourselves to demand validation of all the information we take within ourselves as we walk through these times of transformation. Those who would deceive and hold us back from understanding and accepting our true identity as one with the divine, will use their entire storehouse of subtleties to pull us away from the narrow path of transformation. The idea of separation, in any of its forms, is always a warning sign. Even as a child in Sunday School, I had a hard time believing that God (Love) could favor some of us over the rest of us. I have not found many teachings that refer to the Sacred coming into the physical rather than the physical being raised up into the spiritual.
I send huge gratitude to this person for this validation and the encouragement for all of us gathered here to remain focused on our intent as we continue to learn and grow. We can prepare the soil here on our 3D earth for Sacred Spirit to sink its roots. We may be here to see the blooms!

ChrisBowers's picture

Your intuitive hunch about the WingMakers not wanting all of this to be trivialized into the latest new age fad really resonates with me too. If everything had been perfectly spelled out and presented/processed for spoon feeding, I am quite confident it would have been, for that seems to be what our culture does lately in this social construct of celebrity worship for sake of ego affirming/coddling by way of identification with celebrity (obvious reference to Eckhart Tolle's "A New Earth). Whatever is going on, it is so fun witnessing the "balls drop" during the maturing process of this present and very real new age birth at present.

What an exciting time to be alive! (moot point of "being alive" duly noted...)


P.S. And concerning the hierarchal flavor the new website did take on, it is still interesting to note that James did relate to a self-activating personal responsibility in his response to your questions when he brought up the heart virtues.  I don't bring this up to defend James, but just as an anecdotal point of interest related to the discussion.

fredburks's picture

Yes, Chris, it is an exciting time to be alive! So much transformation is happening everywhere.

And though I am almost certain James is not telling the truth when he claims to have written all the WingMakers material, I know that he believes he is doing what is right. Even with the deception, he has imparted a lot of valuable wisdom on the changed WM site. And he appears to much more heart-centered in the last two years that he was previously. He and those working with him are playing their essential divine roles in this cosmic play.

I think this is all an integral part of the capricious cosmos unfolding. It is a divine mystery. And the less judgment and more love we experience, the more expanded our lives become.

Thank you so much for helping me to get in contact with Mark and James, Chris. And thanks to JoyAnna, Ursula, Elizabeth, Bodhi, and everyone else for all their engaging comments on this fascinating topic. Have a beautiful day!

With lots of love and excitement,

Bodhi's picture

dear brother fred,

first of all, thanks for documenting the evolution of the WM material over time. fascinating stuff all around. i especially appreciate your recent email exchanges with mark and james.

most notably in your final email to james...

when you write:

"Ascension often reflects a desire to abandon those we consider to be
lower than ourselves in hopes of reaching a higher state where we leave
all of the dense vibrations behind. Yet now I see so clearly that my
life is not about ascending to other dimensions. I am here to embrace
all people and all beings no matter what their level of vibration or
understanding. I want to leave no one behind as we all expand our
consciousness to ever greater awareness. And many others resonate with
me on this. We are all about presencing the divine here on this planet,
even in these dense realities."

i feel love and strong resonance with the bodhisattva spirit i see expressed in the above passage to james. i celebrate what i see as a powerful connect point between you and me.

when you write:

"I have been aware of the parallel planet agenda for some time. On a
spirit level, I know that this is the hierarchy's agenda. I understand
that you support this agenda and trust that you are doing what you
believe to be best. Yet when I open up to guidance from the divine for
what's best for all of us, I have received clear guidance to reveal the
parallel planet agenda as a means of separating us from ourselves,
because I know -- and you know -- that we are all interconnected on the
deepest levels. I want to be a force which invites every one of us to
connect ever more clearly with all of us through our divine essence. I
don't want to abandon to another planet the more dense aspects of
myself, which are a more dense aspect of all of us. I want to invite
all densities to dance together in this beautiful cosmic dance. If it
feels right to you, I invite you to join me and the many who resonate
with me in this exciting expansion of divine energy into all densities."

i sense the seriousness of your words and intent here. i suspect, and please correct me if i'm wrong here, that for you this "parallel planet agenda" represents a sinister plot by the "forces of hierarchy" to separate us from ourselves.

if so, may i offer an alternative view?

it is that yes, certainly, the "parallel planet agenda" serves the "forces of hierarchy"...

in a way that serves us all ultimately.

i see the very real possibility that not everyone on the planet will be able to make the energetic leap to Source Energy consciousness within the predicted timeframe of planetary transformation. so i ask you, if you were in charge, what would you do with the stragglers? kick them out of Kairos? send them to purgatory? force-feed them light until they explode?

hahahaha, do you see how silly this is? regardless of how fervently we pretend otherwise, we are all connected, eternal beings...

most of us are doing such a convincing job pretending to be separate and powerless humans bumping into each other in the semi-dark, looking for the light switch so we can finally get our bearings in this most mystifying of being-puzzles we call the space-time continuum...

now is it possible anywhere in the galaxy there could be found a group more entertaining than us ...? Smile

i believe in happy endings. i believe that every one makes it across ultimately. i like the idea that those who are ready now can make the jump safely. i also like the idea that there is a safe place for those who need a little more time to "adjust" to the notion that their thoughts and feelings will quickly manifest as their reality. lol! like kindergarten... you know, fat crayons, safety scissors, afternoon naps, graham crackers and milk, and all the rest!

and i'm nearly certain that with the many millions of recently transcended kindred souls in the newly expanded universe right next door shining huge amounts of love and light into the "kindergarten", it won't take very long at all for the rest of our pals to catch up.

anyway, that's my story, and i'm sticking to it (for now at least...) Smile

in love and light, and much gratitude for this adventure we share,

Starmonkey's picture

Kicked up this old potato to help us reflect on the discussion as it has already happened and been over the last 7-8 years... Some familiar faces and old friends and some similar views and approaches. 

I find it interesting when JoyAnna refers to finding 260 relations to her ACIO search. Dead ends, mostly. We just reached 260 members on the g-spot! And is the harmonic number of the tzol-kin... Synchronicity! 

It's fun to explore all the nooks and crannies of this very interesting topic.

Going back through the .us site (again), I find the feeling toward the Corteum to be dubious, at best. But that would be true regarding any races, species or beings that aren't human. They aren't US. That's why we lead such a unique and remarkable existence. We're hybrids who (mostly) haven't yet reached or explored our potential. Everyone is "dying" to find out what we'll do. And mostly rooting for us, I believe. 

So, the WingMakers ARE us, giving us little hints and clues and as much freedom as possible to make the leap ob our own. Transition and TRANSFORM. Become that which we were meant to be. I mean, we are already, as well, but to accept this state of affairs as IT is sort of narrow-minded and, well, ludicrous. I get that feeling every time I plug into the dominant paradigm, whether it be "news", "entertainment" or even just the regular daily bread belief system. Just listening to people talk recently has been doing it to me. Eavesdropping on strangers especially and the mundane...

Oh well. Just hoping we can inspire one another to expand our minds and take it to the next level. I have some ideas...

fredburks's picture

I love your thoughts on this, Chris. I've also become convinced that the WingMakers are us. In the origianl story, they are a future version of ourselves reaching back to our present selves to help us along. If time is fluid, perhaps they are simply aspects of our higher selves trying to help out the limited consciousness that we are experiencing now. Wild stuff!!! Thanks for kicking up this old post.

With much love and warm wishes,

ChrisBowers's picture

Excerpt from the Conscious Media interview from answer 11:

"The spiritual guides of humanity are truly time-shifted humans who have experienced this Grand Portal, and have, through the orchestration of time, returned to historical periods and assisted specific people and organizations to move their technology, science, and spiritual practices in the direction of the Grand Portal. It is a long journey for a species to incarnate on a planet and evolve upon that planet to the degree that they are aware of the vibration of equality, not only in a handful of their spiritual leaders, but in the whole of the species. This process is what those who live from the heart are aligning to. They are manifesting this vision."

"As the species operates from soul consciousness, what the WingMakers call the Sovereign Integral, they are able to condition space-time so they can assist the earlier stages of humanity. It is somewhat analogous to an adult who is able to move backwards in space-time, and whisper ideas or insights from their adult perspective into the mind and heart of their body when it was only a child. The child part of them would think of these thoughts and ideas as original, as their very own, which, in a way, they are, though they originate from their future self."

"As I have said many times, the WingMakers are a time-shifted humanity operating on the other side of the Grand Portal, if you will. They incarnate as humans because they are human. They operate in this world with varying degrees of awareness as to their incarnational life and purpose, but the WingMakers, having been called a hundred different names by different cultures and historical periods, remain the architects of the passageway of humanity to the Grand Portal. That is their purpose. The Ouroboros, the symbol of the snake devouring its own tail, is the esoteric symbol of a species conditioning space-time fields to guide its earlier incarnations so it will evolve to know itself as One."

"Humanity possesses self-sufficiency. It does not require a hundred different ET brothers to solve its problems created out of ignorance or ambition. It returns upon itself to course-correct and lead itself—as a collective—to the precipice of the Grand Portal, and then allows the confluence of technology, science, and spiritual practice to prove to one and all that what exists beneath the exterior of this world we call the human instrument is only a thin veneer of our total selfhood. And everyone is allowed the opportunity to experience this while incarnated within a human instrument."

"Would humanity find the Grand Portal without its future selves pointing the way? No. Does this mean that humanity is frail and weak? No. The three-dimensional world has been carefully constructed to make this realization impossible for a species, without help from its future selves. This is a designed process. It does not mean that humanity does not receive “outside” help from other, non-human agencies. It simply means that the distinctions between human and “other” sources blurs in the light of the Grand Portal, and how one differentiates is a factor of how deeply one perceives what the definition of human means."

"Virtually all people define human as the body-brain complex. Some include the emotional field in that definition and also include the consciousness. A few even extend its definition to the earth itself, or at least the interconnection. But, the human genome is so ancient and so far flung as to make the definition of human, as we know it today, analogous to how the universe was defined in the twelfth century."

"The polarity of species is fear inducing. This only serves the purpose of those who feed off fear, and there is an entire industry of fear on earth. But this industry has an expiration date, and while the discovery of the Grand Portal will extinguish it, this industry is already diminishing."

"Yes, there is evil in our world. Yes, there are those who are misguided by the darkened mind. And yes, the artifacts of the Animus are all around us in the form of enculturation and limitation. One can live in fear of these realities and seek rational explanations in the texts of scripture or science, or they can connect with their heart’s wisdom and express its virtues, and become a source of light in this world."

"One final admission; I realize that someone could read my answers and feel that I have disregarded the mind as a second-rate organ to the heart. This is not the case. The mind is not a single entity, it has many different facets, some are subtle and highly spiritualized, and some are obsessively destructive or misguided (not unlike emotions). The higher, or spiritualized mind, if I may call it that, remains elusive to humanity at this time."

"Imagine you are on a journey and you have packed a backpack of supplies. You use those supplies based on your position in the journey, for example, crampons when you’re climbing an icy mountain slope; snowshoes when you’re traversing a field of deep snow. Humanity is on a journey, and at certain periods of space-time, the heart is the better tool. That is the case now. The higher mind will be the better tool later in the journey, but for now, the heart is what serves humanity best."

"There is no judgment that the heart is superior to the mind, or vice versa. The truth is that they are “wired” in the same network of light, and one cannot invoke the heart wisdom without touching the higher mind. Energetically, they are linked, but the heart, to use another analogy, is the better steering wheel for now because it is such a powerful expressionary force that it induces the vibration of equality into this world. It is like an inductive force that attracts the vibration of equality to the planetary sphere. Once this vibration is ubiquitous and anchored on the planet, humanity can then employ its next tool on the journey, the higher mind."

From my world to yours,


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